Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech
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You mean the Oland? While I think a lot of us would love to dream "Oban" was really "Oland" in those old rumors I think the realistic silver lining is that if those 8xxx series leaks are real (big if) then it indicates a refined design on a more mature process can result in a serious reduction in TDP. If AMD can a launch a 3TFLOPs chip with a large pool of memory hittng 192GB/s of bandwidth on a discreet GPU board at 130W max TDP I think that boads well for what you could fit into a console unit at 200-250W.
We can hope... just have some prozak handy and don't go near any windows when the real announcementsare madeMS/Sony bought into hope and change but after bleeding red they could only buy one, so they ditched hope, bought change, and went as low as you can go
Not going to happen.
100W-150W is where MS wants to go imo. Smaller, cooler, cheaper.
Yea, thats basically 7970 with 45% less TDP. How would they achieve that, especially if they go with 28nm(are they?) is mystery to me.
And possibly out of competition if their main competitor goes a touch higher.
Because the Xbox, PS3, and N64 all won their respective console generations.
IEB is all about profibility in the recent and upcoming years. Unfortunately power hasn't strongly correlated with profits throughout the console generations.
Making a console that's powerful enough to avoid a Wii-like death and be within striking distance of the competition is the way to go.
You can't draw conclusion based on past generations. For example, by the time Xbox came out PS2 was past 15 million mark. Entire industry that came from PS1 to PS2 backed it up. You had more exclusives from now 3rd party developers than Sony 1st party alone. It was over for Xbox before it began. Totally different situation than this generation.Because the Xbox, PS3, and N64 all won their respective console generations.
IEB is all about profibility in the recent and upcoming years. Unfortunately power hasn't strongly correlated with profits through the console generations.
Microsoft had to send people to 3rd party studios to get them to make games for 360, to convince them it would be financial benefit for them to develop for the system. It was exact opposite in comparison with PS1->PS2 situation.
PS3, I'm sure we all could agree, was over-engineered. The power wasn't its downfall, 360 had it and it had it year earlier. It was Kutaragi wet dream, power argument doesn't follow the pattern.
PS2, when it came out was as powerful as they could realistically make it (financially). Xbox 360 was as powerful as they could make it. Next generation doesn't even have to be as powerful as they can make it because if we would copy the strategy from 2005 we would be talking about 4 TFLOP machines and they would run in alot of problems (die size, TDP and very high price) but they can still make them plenty powerful and not bleed money.
I'm sure they know that they can't skimp on it next generation. You CAN'T release console that is competing in same market with competitor, and release it underpowered. You can't do that when majority of money is in 3rd party that has "finally" embraced both, Sony and MS, as their targets. 3rd party is clear, they want power and in their perfect world they would like both consoles to be close. There is no need for convincing. They will be there, but if your console is underpowered (that goes to any of these two) you are in trouble, because you no longer aim for the same market unless you get lead like PS2 had last gen and 3rd party heavily on your side that they won't mind about big advantage other console has.
They can build reasonable priced consoles that pack ~2TFLOP GPUs in them. They both know it. They know it if they can, than their competitor can too. If one of them goes for much lower so they can make money right out of the gate than they can expect competition that won't do the same (and they expect it, at least MS as they noted in their internal papers).
You can write all the convincing arguments for parity that you want, but things are already set in stone, and I am confident that MS has found a winning strategy for next generation that isn't focused around achieving exact parity with their competitor power wise.
They have so much more to offer in other areas that'll make both developers and consumers make the next Xbox their platform of choice.
Prisoner's dilemma.
It'll be much better visually than the Wii-U. Nintendo fucked up.
It Durango really only has a 1TFLOPS GPU then thats less than x2 of what is reported to be the Wii U's GPU (600GFLOPS).
Combine that with 4 Jaguar cores (1 for OS/Kinect?) and 5 GB RAM for games (3GB for OS/APPS) and you have a console which isn't much above the Wii U.
I didn't expect either MS or Sony to release ultra beast consoles, but I still expected decent consoles, Durango is well below what I would call decent.
Nintendo had their design goals. Time will tell if they made a mistake.
And different market target than MS and Sony.
Versus 1 GB Ram for games on the Wii-U.
>2x the gpu and cpu power, and >3x the ram will translate into a HUGE difference on screen.
1tflop gpu power? Isn't too low?
It's too low - it is embarrassing .....
They were illustrative figures to show bandwidth isn't dependent on number of cores.
1tflop gpu power? Isn't too low?
For a standalone GPU it is really low, but its high if you want to put it into APU with 2 quadcore Jaguar modules...
Sadly, everyone is apparently aiming for APU's and lowpowered/cheap design.
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Things are definitely set in stone, but neither do you or I have idea whats the final console going to be like. You can be confident that MS will change their strategy that got them where they are today for cheap and slow next generation, I'm not.
Can I just say it's bad form to go digging up and posting people's real identities across the web. Anonymity has an important part to play in some open discussions, especially when someone's wanting to talk about their business experience without having to have all their words passed through the company PR department.
If you feel someone's credentials need to be made public, please contact the member to 1) ask for confirmation (if they choose) and 2) give them the option to post their credentials without 'outing' someone that doesn't want to be 'outed'. Let's not start rumours that could land people into trouble. At the root of the leaks we all want are NDAs and employment law, which can't be taken lightly.
If you feel someone's credentials need to be made public, please contact the member to 1) ask for confirmation (if they choose) and 2) give them the option to post their credentials without 'outing' someone that doesn't want to be 'outed'. Let's not start rumours that could land people into trouble. At the root of the leaks we all want are NDAs and employment law, which can't be taken lightly.
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