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oh crap, it's HSA and not FSA silly me. F meant "Fusion" and H means "Heterogeneous" to emphasize 3rd party IP can be part of it.
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But FSA was renamed HSA isn't?
http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2012/01...re-is-now-heterogeneous-systems-architecture/
Nothing like now (of course), but that wasn't the point... sebbbi has discussed a bit of "GPGPU" before, but you should probably try to understand what separates a compute shader versus a pixel shader by definition.
Quick Google search gives these two for 360 & GPGPU/compute:
http://crowdsimulation.blogspot.ca/2009/09/xbox-360-and-gpgpu.html
http://web.cs.mun.ca/~banzhaf/papers/CEC_2008.pdf
...and my part-joke is dead too. But anyways... conceptually, we were mostly there on console already (going by the four points on that slide, which I found amusing), which was my point. PCs just didn't have that level of integration nor the software environment. 360 CPU and GPU weren't integrated until 2010, but the other three were already there in some form (relatively limited contexts/threading on GPU).
Don't worry too much about HSA.
Is DDR4 still an option, or is just too late.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory...orld_s_First_28nm_DDR4_Memory_Controller.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory...orld_s_First_28nm_DDR4_Memory_Controller.html
Intel said some stuff about process
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6253/intel-by-2020-the-size-of-meaningful-compute-approaches-zero
8 Jaguar cores would really not be much area at all. 24mm? I dont know if MS is really going this direction for CPU, but I kind of like it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6253/intel-by-2020-the-size-of-meaningful-compute-approaches-zero
8 Jaguar cores would really not be much area at all. 24mm? I dont know if MS is really going this direction for CPU, but I kind of like it.
Future advancements could allow them to stack the DRAM onto the package (and artificially impair the latency keep the specifications identical), as a possible solution to the I/O pin limitation.
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I don't get the comment about tables, here's a smart table from before I was born.
I assume they produce the memory based on the expected standard, so if something changes before the standard is finalized, I'm curious if there's any chance the memory need to be reworked to comply.
This new Microsoft patent shows that the future Xbox won't have Kinect attached, (maybe not even bundled with the console?) but just as an accesory you can use separatedly.
The patent involves an immersive environment where the room in which you are present playing a game, becomes part of the game and the scene, too.
More info here:
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...sions-where-gaming-is-going-and-its-wild.html
The patent involves an immersive environment where the room in which you are present playing a game, becomes part of the game and the scene, too.
More info here:
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...sions-where-gaming-is-going-and-its-wild.html
This patent says NOTHING OF THE SORT! Did you read the article, even just the intro, or did you just look at the picture labelled by the writer as "Future Xbox"? It's an idea for projecting the game into the room, appreciating that peripheral vision is low quality so doesn't need a super detailed projection.
Rule number 1 for patents : A company filing a patent is not proof of intention to produce that product, let alone an indicator into what their next product will be.
This patent tells us nothing about Xbox 3.
Shifty, I re-read the article just in case I missed something, but if those figures were drawn and created by Microsoft, what exactly is the likelihood that Kinect and the depth camera are going to suddenly change from being standalone products to be part of the console...? o_o;
But most of all... it says "Future Xbox" there for the world to see. Let that sink in for a moment: minimal number of cables coming out the console of the figure, a Kinect system, mics, a new kind of camera, etc.
Okay, being realist maybe you are right.... but what an intellectual, student-like, scholar line of thinking you have, Shifty. The news are weird, just telling it like it is. But the picture doesn't seem to be fake. What you see what you get.
It can make sense because I don't imagine people moving the console around depending on their position to play Kinect based games.
Are you implying that for a "future xbox" to qualify for the "includes kinect" label, the Kinect has to be built into the XBox chassis? Do you realize what a silly idea that is? The Wii Sensor bar is included with every wii, and somehow it is not built into the wii chassis. It makes no sense to build the Kinect into the XBox chassis for a number of reasons, one of them being audio input, another being, as you put it, having to move the box around to account for player positions. That does not in any way preclude the idea of including a kinect sensor in box and not selling it as an accessory, just like the wii sensor bar.
Shifty is right, that patent, as shown, does not say anything about whether a kinect sensor will be included in every box. It does, however, show that the magical room projector appears to be able to pass right through objects like the sensor without leaving shadows on the wall...
That's added by the website. Patents do not label their figures with anything other than numbers, and never brand names like XBox and Kinect. The actual device (label 110) is described as something like a "memory system linked with a logic processing system" as patent jargon for "a computer device". Also, a future Xbox could mean any future Xbox. And finally, patents are drawn up to illustrate an idea, and the drawings typically reflect current ideas. The idea for this probably comes from RnD where they have used Kinect as is to drive the environment scanning, and so it's Kinect portrayed as is in the diagram, just because they wanted to show the room-viewing camera system in their representation of one embodiment of the patent. Any camera scanning system could still be embedded in the console, even if that'd be a poor choice for flexibility of positioning. And as bkilian says, included in XB3 doesn't necessitate built into the case!
I'm sure it'd be cheaper to produce a sensor-bar and wiimote-less wii too, and just ship with the classic gamepad controller. I wonder why they haven't done it?
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Yes, it's a complete non-sequitur to take that patent filing as indicating that the 720 won't ship with Kinect as standard. If MS really wants to push Kinect (which by all accounts, they certainly seem to want), they'll include it with all consoles.
But I like the patent, would be a relatively simplet way to increase immersion if it's half decent (shouldn't be too hard given how bad our peripheral version is)
But I like the patent, would be a relatively simplet way to increase immersion if it's half decent (shouldn't be too hard given how bad our peripheral version is)
I think that is the most impressive part of the patent, that is Nobel prize stuff right there
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