Predict: The Next Generation Console Tech

[AlphaWolf]

Have you been educated in the 60s? Are you going to call me a hippie too? No under half of the world is getting bigger dept to pay dept that are used to perpetuate slave work and a regression in the rights of the man...

How is that drivel related to anything with saving the planet by reducing energy use?

Also my "saving the planet" pay backs in having money for more games.

If you game about 10 hours a day, you'll be almost able to buy 1 more game a year if your console uses 100 watts less power. Never mind that you're using up more than twice that much power on a typical TV, or 10 times that much power cooling/heating your home. If you really give a crap about saving the planet and you think consoles is the place to start. Shut it off, or don't buy one in the first place.

Anyway there's 3 sub 100watt consoles on the market today, and I expect Nintendo will have you covered with a 4th next year. Extending the life of the boxes however would probably be more green in the long run, and to do that, they'd be better off with a somewhat more powerful box. The power can drop with the slim editions.

The one-year-life-cycle throw-away nature of iOS devices are the last things that will save this planet... in fact, quite the converse.

Here's a pro tip. DON'T REPLACE IT EVERY YEAR IF YOU WANT TO SAVE THE PLANET.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

If I reduce energy consumption will it prevent the sun turning into a red giant in the future?
If we mess up the ecosystem here, will the planet earth change it's mind about orbiting the sun and perhaps just disappear into nothing. What is saving the planet really? What is off topic lol.

 

[pc999]

How is that drivel related to anything with saving the planet by reducing energy use?

It does have the same kind of relation your replay to me had

If you game about 10 hours a day, you'll be almost able to buy 1 more game a year if your console uses 100 watts less power.

Energy around here have quite a diferent price, I guess.

Never mind that you're using up more than twice that much power on a typical TV, or 10 times that much power cooling/heating your home.

A big LED TV already use less than 50-40W.

If you really give a crap about saving the planet and you think consoles is the place to start. Shut it off, or don't buy one in the first place

There isnt a single thing that saves the planet, but it is in doing better/good all the things, if your TV use less power and your console use less power, and your PC use less power and... this way you save the planet, and your electricity bill.


Although somethings (like cars) have a much bigger impact.

Anyway there's 3 sub 100watt consoles on the market today, and I expect Nintendo will have you covered with a 4th next year. Extending the life of the boxes however would probably be more green in the long run, and to do that, they'd be better off with a somewhat more powerful box. The power can drop with the slim editions.

Extending by adding gfx? I am already happy with PS360 gfx. And slim editions will bring it to sub 60W, better yet, but 100W is a good starting point.


There is other smaller benefits, like noise and smaller case to fill a already small space.


Anyway for me they can compromise the power and gfx, just keep that in mind when they price it.

 

[AlphaWolf]

It does have the same kind of relation your replay to me had

Sorry, seems like a language barrier or something, because I haven't the foggiest idea what you're on about.

Energy around here have quite a diferent price, I guess.

How much are you paying for power? At 20 cents/KW (which is pretty high for NA) you'd save around $60 a year if you game more than 8 hours a day.

A big LED TV already use less than 50-40W.

What are you considering big? A 55" samsung will consume up to 230W.

There isnt a single thing that saves the planet, but it is in doing better/good all the things, if your TV use less power and your console use less power, and your PC use less power and... this way you save the planet, and your electricity bill.

Save more, don't buy one. I don't see the folly of falling into some smaller upgrade path that needs to be replaced more often.

Although somethings (like cars) have a much bigger impact.

Almost everything will have a bigger impact than consoles. They are still a fairly niche device, and used intermittently.

Extending by adding gfx? I am already happy with PS360 gfx. And slim editions will bring it to sub 60W, better yet, but 100W is a good starting point.

If you're happy with ps360 gfx, you don't need to buy a new console. You're golden for the next 5 years, I'm certain they will continue to support them. The perfect solution for you.

There is other smaller benefits, like noise and smaller case to fill a already small space.

Anyway for me they can compromise the power and gfx, just keep that in mind when they price it.

Like I said, it seems like Nintendo has you covered. They they have the graphics level you're happy with and a small box. We don't need 3 of them.

I certainly hope MS and Sony produce something that will set themselves apart and carry graphics forward for the next 5-10 years. I certainly don't want to see a box the size of my receiver and have it make airplane noises, but I think they can improve on the ergonomics of last gen with even larger boxes. If they're going to produce a marginal upgrade, I'd probably just go back to PC gaming (and wind up with something using 1000W) and say the hell with them.

 

[Proelite]

AMD Dual Graphics Technology

Getting the topic back on track.

Would it be reasonable for either the x720 / ps4 to sport a next generation APU AND a next generation discrete GPU?

Have a fairly light weight APU that contains an integrated GPU for more general purpose computation, and a heavier discrete GPU for the more specialized graphics computations.

 

[pc999]

Sorry, seems like a language barrier or something, because I haven't the foggiest idea what you're on about.

Sorry, but around here the kind of reply you said it is only said by old guys with old education, or new guys with very poor education and/or little civilized. Maybe it is a language/culture barrier or something?

How much are you paying for power? At 20 cents/KW (which is pretty high for NA) you'd save around $60 a year if you game more than 8 hours a day.

I know it is quite pricier (government fault) I am not sure how much and about to get even worst as taxes will rises at least 7-13% the price, very soon.

What are you considering big? A 55" samsung will consume up to 230W.

A friend of mine bought a LED, a bit smaller I think, I asked him how much it use (he also worries about the electricity bill) and he told me <50W, I do know for a fact (I saw it yesterday) that the new PC monitors from ASUS 23" that use 27W.

I don't see the folly of falling into some smaller upgrade path that needs to be replaced more often.

When I need to replace I do replace for something better and energy friendly, I dont replace stuff just because something new is "even better", I dont need to always have the best and newer stuff.

Almost everything will have a bigger impact than consoles. They are still a fairly niche device, and used intermittently.

Everything have impact period, you get way better if you do/choose better in everything or in as much as possible.




Personally I dont think that we need new consoles (besides Wii U), so I hope next gen take quite a time to be released.

I'd probably just go back to PC gaming (and wind up with something using 1000W) and say the hell with them.

Such a PC can be half of the power consumption in a small and "typical" house around here.


On the other hand we probably are a lot more advanced in energy saving stuff than other country's in EU or USA. Having quite a few laws in that regard.

 

[pc999]

Getting the topic back on track.

Would it be reasonable for either the x720 / ps4 to sport a next generation APU AND a next generation discrete GPU?

Have a fairly light weight APU that contains an integrated GPU for more general purpose computation, and a heavier discrete GPU for the more specialized graphics computations.

Does a APU make sense with a dedicated GPU, they lose that chance of no compromise?

Unlike what I said in the past, maybe it is cheaper in the long term, and a better deal in HW to just do a a really custom HW like they did in GC or 360, those are some of the best designed consoles and quite interesting from a financial POV.

 

[Blazkowicz]

hybrid crossfire between an APU and GPU is a failure, implementing such a configuration on a console looks like a very bad idea.

 

[Kaotik]

hybrid crossfire between an APU and GPU is a failure, implementing such a configuration on a console looks like a very bad idea.

Don't think CF - Think APU doing GPGPU stuff and discrete graphics workload

 

[AlphaWolf]

A friend of mine bought a LED, a bit smaller I think, I asked him how much it use (he also worries about the electricity bill) and he told me <50W, I do know for a fact (I saw it yesterday) that the new PC monitors from ASUS 23" that use 27W.

23" != big.

 

[BRiT]

hybrid crossfire between an APU and GPU is a failure, implementing such a configuration on a console looks like a very bad idea.

How is that any different than what PS3 has with SPUs and RSX?

 

[pc999]

23" != big.

I gave you the example of my friends LED, that should be around 45-50", 23" gets you < 30W.

 

[wco81]

If I reduce energy consumption will it prevent the sun turning into a red giant in the future?
If we mess up the ecosystem here, will the planet earth change it's mind about orbiting the sun and perhaps just disappear into nothing. What is saving the planet really? What is off topic lol.

Seems throughout Europe, there are a lot of efforts to reduce one's carbon footprint, from solar panels and wind-powered generators to hotels encouraging you to re-use towels instead of asking for new ones every day.

 

[AlphaWolf]

I gave you the example of my friends LED, that should be around 45-50", 23" gets you < 30W.

your friend is wrong as I mentioned before, a 55" LED screen can use up to 230W (samsungs claim).

A 45-50" screen is not using less than double what a 23" screen is going to use, its 4-6x the size.

 

[pc999]

If I reduce energy consumption will it prevent the sun turning into a red giant in the future?
If we mess up the ecosystem here, will the planet earth change it's mind about orbiting the sun and perhaps just disappear into nothing. What is saving the planet really? What is off topic lol.

It may be almost as useful for your kids, or grand kinds, even if you dont have them, out of respect for the next generations that may invent a "hyperspace ship" to runaway from or red giant sun

your friend is wrong as I mentioned before, a 55" LED screen can use up to 230W (samsungs claim).

A 45-50" screen is not using less than double what a 23" screen is going to use, its 4-6x the size.

He may be wrong, or I am, but it seems that there is quite a few 46" LED using around or less than 100W. I may be wrong about the size too(?).

http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/

Seems throughout Europe, there are a lot of efforts to reduce one's carbon footprint, from solar panels and wind-powered generators to hotels encouraging you to re-use towels instead of asking for new ones every day.

It seems that Japan too since the tsunami, they said that are going to invest in renewable energy fonts , I cant wait to see their engineering magic in this stuff.

Maybe Germany too, now that they will terminate nuclear power plants, it is still unclear at this point.


This might be something MS/Sony actually need to consider, as two of they major markets are getting energy saving minded ones.

IT is also a great marketing option once consoles are becoming a usual household item.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

It may be almost as useful for your kids, or grand kinds, even if you dont have them, out of respect for the next generations that may invent a "hyperspace ship" to runaway from or red giant sun

I'm all for taking care of the ecosystem for humans, ducks, other animals and plants and can say that I'm doing my part, I'm just not under any illusion that any of that has anything to do "with saving the planet" The planet will do its thing with or without us.

Quite a few major things should probably change for us to really coexist better with the ecosystem of this rock, but pinching a few watts out of your video games console hardly plays any part in the grand scheme of things and imo is a typical commoner 1/10th assed (less than half ass) response to a situation.

 

[rekator]

It's not "saving the planet", it's keep the planet under good conditions for humans. Or also the big black point is where don't have enough energy for everybody, so we need all to saving energy. I known a strange idea for many people who live in an abundance period.

For many reasons cooling, don't reproduce RROD, YLOD, costs, be environment friendly (to don't have bad com), etc I'm don't think next gen would be above 150 watts, more near 100 watts.

And people don't like Plasma due to the energivore aspect, if not due to price and image quality plasmas will be the dominant TV, in EU I'm speaking.
And don't forget Energy will be more and more costly, for many reasons. Also in US.

 

[hoho]

So for how long do you have to play with the new console to offset all the energy and materials spent on building it vs just using the old one with 100W higher energy usage?

 

[RudeCurve]

 

[Prophecy2k]

How is that any different than what PS3 has with SPUs and RSX?

I'm sure that's very very different. For one, SPU aren't GPU shader cores and are far more general.

To be honest, why would you want to waste silicon on an APU, using the GPU units on it for far less efficient GPGPU, when you caould just have a fat CPU instead for the same transister budget. Or if you want the APU to be able to do CPU work as well as assist the GPU in graphics related tasks ala the CELL with the RSX, why not just go with something more CELL-like anyway?

I'd be curious to know what a CELL and APU of around the same transister budget could accomplish when coupled with a GPU, and which would be more efficient at the different kinds of workloads relevant to gaming?

Perhaps some insight from our resident heavyweights? Sebbbi where for art thou good sir?