If we try to be objective we'd have to say the 360 had roughly a year head start, cost less and ultimately sold less. I'm not sure we could say it was as popular.
Post Xbox One Two Scorpio, what should Sony do next? *spawn* (oh, and Nintendo?)
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If we try to be objective we'd have to say the 360 had roughly a year head start, cost less and ultimately sold less. I'm not sure we could say it was as popular.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9727/IMG_6063.JPG
That's what it is but without the fan on the lower models.
Its an amazing cooling upgrade for such a small idea imo compared to the older surfaces
Surface pro 1/2 cooling
Surface pro 3 cooling
surface pro 4
Surface throttles under heavy load, and that cooler is going to be far more expensive per Watt dissipated than a big dumb lump of aluminium with a copper core.
Don't go chasing waterfalls. That's all I'm saying.
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And Sony could lower price too.
Neo die area should be smaller/lower cost.
of course ! That is why I said maybe. We wont know until it happens.
Of course if Sony is trying to sell a slim ps4 + ps4 neo they may not have a lot of room to drop
Don't see that happening considering the xbox one is still cheaper than the ps4 and due to the esram and lower cost ddr 3. The new revamped xbox one has a uhd bluray and 4k playback starting at $300. $50 less than the ps4 currently is and the same price the original xbox one cost. So Ms should have wiggle room to go further down considering the box is much smaller , smaller less power hungry chip
I'm just posting what an amazing design it is. The surface team can do something similar to scorpio .
Also the newer surfaces with the better cooling are able to throttle a lot less often than the older ones even with bigger fans. I can't wait till the 5th generation of that.
The point of Neo? Well, compelling games. Promising games improved for Neo: GTS, Horizon, God of war, TLG (maybe not improved for that one), TLOU2. PSVR improved games + the current PS4 library like games of 2 generations (TLOUR, Bloodborne)? That's a lot of games for Neo. What has Scorpio, except specs and the promise of playing Halo and Forza at higher resolution? And Microsoft fumbled the ball well before the start of this gen, reason: lack of compelling games.
Please , don't get into a list war pissing match on B3D. It never ends well.
Aye we all have our own personal favorites and bias.
Sony fumbled the ball last generation but still caught up with MS despite releasing a year later at a higher price AND as you mention having the lesser multiplatform titles. This generation MS fumbled the ball and they are falling more and more behind as time goes.
The cheap less powerful Xbox One is being outsold 2-1 but its going to squeeze Sony? Ok then
Scorpio can be priced similar to Neo if MS is willing to eat the costs. Wich they are unlikely to do. Neo can be "cheap" because its aiming for a different perf/price target. The RX480 is only 232mm2, an APU based on that will probably be smaller than the current PS4 APU. But how is MS going to hit 6 TF in a console sized power budget? Overclocking RX480? Unlikely.. wich means they will use more CUs wich means bigger dize size wich means more expensive. Add in Zen and the price keeps going up. You can have the monster specs you want but pay 399 for it
As for the point of Neo? To play higher quality versions of first party titles. Using your logic, why did anyone buy a PS3? The 360 was cheaper and it had the better multiplatform titles, so why did PS3 still end up at 80 million?
Both MS and Sony have shown an ability to respond to bad ideas. Sony completely changed course with PS4, much simpler design, less cost and far easier to program. MS has abandoned the bloat that surrounded XB1 at launch, reduced cost, announced new hardware that is more powerful. I'd say both companies have recovered from the tone deaf bad decisions that got them into trouble and we as consumer are benefiting from it.
That said I have no idea why some here (not you) are chest thumping a spec advantage that is more than a year out, this generation will be defined largely but the tens of millions installed base as it stands and is growing now, not but a relatively small drop in the bucket advantage which is achieved when this generation is rounding the corner on its final lap. That sort of analysis is not only poor its disingenuous.
You don't see this because you assume SONY does not lower price and does not release a newer version of PS4 for a long time.
that is the sort of analysis I was talking about...
Sony is selling a 1.8tflop console with a 1TB hardrive for $350. What will they sell a 4.4tflop console for early next year ?
We can do this for days
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and where did you pull that out of ?
Thread = What should Sony do.
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