Post Xbox One Two Scorpio, what should Sony do next? *spawn* (oh, and Nintendo?)
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From the leak docs the neo will only acces 1 gig more of ram for games. The increase in textures will be very low.
We also only know about Tflops , what about Rops ? If the rops stay the same and only get an increase through clock speed the difference will be much smaller.
You gotta ask yourself why sony isn't showing a console that will be launching within the next year
I still have trouble with youtube and Netflix. Sometimes in need to quit the app itself and restart it. But otherwise I don't get problems with games and other apps
I agree with the majority of this and its a really well written post.
If sony goes with a 4.4tflop console based on the ps4 with only 8 gigs of ram then even a 12 gig upgrade on the scorpio will show a notable texture quality difference. If MS goes to 24 or 32 gigs of ram the quality difference in textures will be quite transformative. That is before any difference in hardware. We don't know what the difference between vega and Polaris is . But if MS is using Vega that is a newer architecture which may be more efficient and better designed.
Sony could run into trouble if the spring release is correct because during their launch of neo they will have MS talking and showing Scorpio .
How will sony combat that ? Whats more , what does MS have in the pipeline to show off Scorpio. Halo isn't the franchise it used to be ,but a halo running a 6tflop machine with tons of ram will look stunning. An upgraded Crack down on it will be amazing.
Sony will have to market against these forces with a difference of as little as 6 months between launches and with tight price diffrences.
Not to mention they have to get the message out about psvr too.
But will the visual quality difference will be really high?
We already have a condition like this with console x PC.
Turns out, despite pc have much more power and memory, the game still look same-ish with console when seen from couch distance.
Stop using tiny Philips head screws please. Especially don't use them to screw heatsink clamp like in PS4.
We already have a condition like this with console x PC.
Turns out, despite pc have much more power and memory, the game still look same-ish with console when seen from couch distance.
Stop using tiny Philips head screws please. Especially don't use them to screw heatsink clamp like in PS4.
Rikimaru
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Price. Scorpio will be expensive.
The power of the cloud? Sony can triple the power if they use the cloud.
Or secretly have three stacked SoC, 12.6TF total. The dev docs only talk about one SoC, the other two will be enabled in software after launch.
ok, draw distance and detail - the point was that resolution is not the only improvements we should see as it was in response to this by iroberto "Q: Okay, so PS4 does 1080p for almost all titles already, so that’s not a big difference to me. And if this device can’t do 4K, explain to me how games will look better, and will all games have better frame rate?"
could be because they don't want people to think you need Neo for PSVR or maybe they don't want to hurt sales...who knows
Price and popularity. You don't have to compete on power if you can compete elsewhere.
It stands to reason that the machine with 2/3 the power and less RAM and less Bandwidth etc. will be cheaper to produce. MS will defnitely have 'the most powerful console' marketing message and that'll attract some buyers. They'll also have 'play on Windows'. Sony will have PS4 selling en masse and Neo selling to upgrade who are happy with PS4 but want a bit better, and will pay a bit more for a bit better. So two different audiences on the whole in my mind.
Microsoft is the one with the 2/3rd power, less ram, and less bandwidth hence cheaper to produce console with the Xbox One S. So MS will have the cheaper bargain market covered as well as the power-performance market.
The current market share advantage of PS4 can't be stopped easily, gamers buy what their friends have. Naughty Dog continues to win best game of the year. Horizon looks like a real system seller. They make must-have titles which keeps their existing user base loyal and growing. If there is no more generational "reset", all those who bought a PS4 or Neo will stay on that platform unless Sony fails significantly with the PS5. Market share movement will be much more difficult in the future because of FC/BC. Including a year headstart with console VR.
If Neo comes out this year, at the rumored specs, it's a best case scenario for Sony. The PS5 would be expected late 2019. Scorpio won't get it's price down to the goldilock zone in that short time frame.
But the most probable is that Neo is early 2017, then PS5 would be late 2020. Giving MS three years to recover some market share.
If Neo comes out this year, at the rumored specs, it's a best case scenario for Sony. The PS5 would be expected late 2019. Scorpio won't get it's price down to the goldilock zone in that short time frame.
But the most probable is that Neo is early 2017, then PS5 would be late 2020. Giving MS three years to recover some market share.
Ignoring that the bottom end is secured to PlayStation due to brand recognition, why thinkg Sony can't compete on price? Certainly XBone isn't notably cheaper than PS4 due to architecture, although a slim may be with ESRAM scaling. But probably not a huge amount in it with the small chips. Where XB1S is competing with PS4(slim), price won't be much different and certainly not enough to change the tide of popular opinion. It's only really the top end where MS have a competitive advantage (beyond potential ecosystem) and Sony can certainly compete there, unlike the view that Sony have nothing and are done for.
upnorthsox
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I still don't see how this is most probable. I'll reiterate, if Neo's target launch is in March instead of November then somebody in Sony needs to be fired asap. IMO there's simply no logical reason to launch at that time, even if you have to do a limited/soft launch in November, it's better that waiting.
Yeah, and how'd that work out for them?
If the (console) gaming market is mostly decided by computing power sony is doomed. It doesn't matter what neo or scorpio does. Microsoft wins by the virtue of xbox and multiplatform games coming to pc.
What sony should do is good business and not chase after the 1%. I believe ps4 has very good momentum ongoing and it makes sense to keep winning by producing excellent content. I doubt microsoft is willing to subsidize scorpio too much and I doubt there is huge market in 599$++ category. Something like 199$ ps4 and 399$ neo should be plenty good assuming the content is in there. If there is 100$+ price difference in neo and scorpio that might make a huge difference in market penetration. Ofcourse microsoft has deep pockets and can sell at loss, but then buying market share isn't necessarily the best business to be in.
What sony really should not do is to do a reset. Resetting the cycle let's other players come back into play as whatever was isn't anymore. Sony should really take a note from how smartphone, tablet and desktop markets work...
What sony should do is good business and not chase after the 1%. I believe ps4 has very good momentum ongoing and it makes sense to keep winning by producing excellent content. I doubt microsoft is willing to subsidize scorpio too much and I doubt there is huge market in 599$++ category. Something like 199$ ps4 and 399$ neo should be plenty good assuming the content is in there. If there is 100$+ price difference in neo and scorpio that might make a huge difference in market penetration. Ofcourse microsoft has deep pockets and can sell at loss, but then buying market share isn't necessarily the best business to be in.
What sony really should not do is to do a reset. Resetting the cycle let's other players come back into play as whatever was isn't anymore. Sony should really take a note from how smartphone, tablet and desktop markets work...
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you think MS will put out a $600 + console ? Microsoft who got destroyed by the press and fans for releasing a $500 console 4 years prior ?
Scorpio is going to come in as close to $400 as they can get.
Don't ignore what a halo product can do for lower end products.
If Scorpio is a success then many can invest in xbox one knowing their games will work in the future when scorpio enters their price range.
Meanwhile streamers and reviewers will all talk up the superior Scorpio.
The xbox one is using cheaper ddr 3 ram and the Esram will be much denser which should result in a smaller APU with each shrink. So Ms should enjoy a price advantage . how big I dunno
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