Playstation3 unveilment: next E3. Now, official.

[ysoya]

something that caught my eye


"It was also mentioned in the article that a goal of the PS3 will be to render currently pre-rendered material in real time. It was not mentioned as to what material this would include. Sony did mention how current CG movies are rendered with computers prior to playing them, so that they are not interactive with the gamer. The goal of making such movies interactive, rendered by the PS3 in real-time, is something they are confident in achieving with the PS3."

http://www.ps3insider.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=122

yeah, low, low-end CG. not film grade CG. maybe 8)

I guess sony will announce yet another fancy feature for PS3 like realtime ray-tracing. I also guess most developers will never use it because it is not effective for real games.. like curved surface in PS2 and PSP.

-ysoya

 

[Megadrive1988]

Propaganda aside, I think PlayStation's ETA is 2008

2008?

er.... yeah.... for PlayStation4 development to be well under way

 

[Evil_Cloud]

What durability issues?
Between the three consoles in market, I'm under the impression that the GCN is the most durable, but the PS2 and xbox are neither exceptionally prone to breaking. Not any more so than most other consumer electronics gadgets.
PS2 unreliable quality is just a myth, fuelled by internet rumours.

Xbox Thompson disc drives... ahem.

 

[nAo]

like curved surface in PS2 and PSP.

PS2 has no hw support for curved surfaces.

 

[Cryect]

Final Hardware for the PSP was available before E3 as you see in that picture (PSP TOOL): the tech demos were designed on that and were running on that (interactive demos).

You looking at the same picture as me?

The only thing that was available before E3 was the PSP Emulator. There is a star on the TOOL line for the PSP that looks like its either same time or slightly after E3 thats been labeled final which I would assume stands for Final Hardware.

 

[Cryect]

What durability issues?
Between the three consoles in market, I'm under the impression that the GCN is the most durable, but the PS2 and xbox are neither exceptionally prone to breaking. Not any more so than most other consumer electronics gadgets.
PS2 unreliable quality is just a myth, fuelled by internet rumours.

Yeah those damn several friends of mine and TechTV have been lying all this time about having to open up their PS2's to fix disc read error issues. For some reason the DVD drive in the PS2 does go unaligned. I can see several people as a result mailing their PS2 to Sony or saying screw it.


http://www.g4techtv.com/feature.aspx?article_key=45797

 

[Pepto-Bismol]

What durability issues? ... PS2 unreliable quality is just a myth, fuelled by internet rumours.

Rabidrabbit -- please, please come back to reality with the rest of us!!!

While PlayStation may hound retailers with decade-long production runs, its utility seems to be an embarrassing fraction of production life. So if you're a PlayStation gamer, your chances of buying more than one console (before the unit has been phased out) are quite good actually.

PlayStation is a disposable product at durable prices, an irony most consumers oppose ...

Here are your results found for all feedback types and all feedback categories for Sony Playstation. Results 1 - 20 of 157 consumer letters displayed below. Click the subject link to see the Shared Letter.

Businesses can gain access to all shared letters with a subscription to PlanetFeedback's BrandPulse solution. Consumers have free access to 100 of the most recent letters.

Source: Planet Feedback

 

[rabidrabbit]

Funny, but several friends of mine that bought the PS2 at launch, never have had any disc read errors (apart from a couple of uncompatible DVD's).
PS2 sold masses, got huge media recognition at launch -> normal amount of faulty PS2's were good material for PS2 news hungry sites, exaggerating the case -> the myth lives on -> people who experience a single skipping in disc reading panic and get their machine fixed or repair (read: maul) the machine themselves.

And I'm sure the xbox has an approximately similar amount of faulty units in percentage of sold machines, it just has not get the same media attention.
In fact, I've read from another multiconsole forum several stories of faulty xboxes (more stories than of PS2, actually, if that proves anything (which it doesn't))

Anyway, this is off topic, so I'll stop here, now.

Edit: ok, I didn't stop yet, but some of those Planet Feedback complaints make me laugh, so to me it is not a very reliable proof of the supposed "PS2 unreliability over other consoles". Many of them are just cheap attempts to get a free or rebate console.

And there are 10 cases for xbox too. 157 for PS2.
If someone would calculate what percentage they represent from their relative userbases, that would make a fun (if totally unaccurate and unfair) comparison.

EDit: The Planet Feedback also lists several xbox cases when searched with "Microsoft" , as it does for PS2 when searched under "Sony Electronics", so a comparison based on that site would require just a little more effort what was postet earlier.

 

[Cryect]

Heh on the PS2's do consider my friends are all a bunch of college kids often moving around. Though thats what I like about my GCN, its great for bringing home and being able to play games with friends back in HS like we did on the N64 (Mario Kart, GoldenEye, SMB, and etc).

And XBox in this apt(my roommates) here sometimes have hard drive issues but that's no fault of MS and more so we stuck a kinda working 20gig hard drive in it so we can use it as a media center (which I have to see it works quite well as one). Don't know of any issues friends have had with the XBox not working correctly though only know a couple others with an XBox though. I do know of one friend that has had an issue with a GCN with DRE but he is all by himself

 

[Guden Oden]

My PS2 has seen a fair amount of use I think, and even with recent games that exercise the DVD drive quite a bit (like Jak2 and Champs of Norrath) there have been no problems. It loads games and plays movies just fine.

 

[Geeforcer]

something that caught my eye


"It was also mentioned in the article that a goal of the PS3 will be to render currently pre-rendered material in real time. It was not mentioned as to what material this would include. Sony did mention how current CG movies are rendered with computers prior to playing them, so that they are not interactive with the gamer. The goal of making such movies interactive, rendered by the PS3 in real-time, is something they are confident in achieving with the PS3."

http://www.ps3insider.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=122

yeah, low, low-end CG. not film grade CG. maybe 8)

God, not more "CG in real time" hype. I am still waiting for "Phantom Menace special effects" rendered in real-time on PS2.

 

[hey69]

it's time they release this sucker... Droollll...

 

[rabidrabbit]

something that caught my eye


"It was also mentioned in the article that a goal of the PS3 will be to render currently pre-rendered material in real time. It was not mentioned as to what material this would include. Sony did mention how current CG movies are rendered with computers prior to playing them, so that they are not interactive with the gamer. The goal of making such movies interactive, rendered by the PS3 in real-time, is something they are confident in achieving with the PS3."

http://www.ps3insider.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=122

yeah, low, low-end CG. not film grade CG. maybe 8)

God, not more "CG in real time" hype. I am still waiting for "Phantom Menace special effects" rendered in real-time on PS2.

Hey! The opening scroll might just be doable on PS2

 

[Cryect]

Hey! The opening scroll might just be doable on PS2

I'm not so sure about that. I was thinking a couple more generations before that could be done.

 

[Evil_Cloud]

something that caught my eye


"It was also mentioned in the article that a goal of the PS3 will be to render currently pre-rendered material in real time. It was not mentioned as to what material this would include. Sony did mention how current CG movies are rendered with computers prior to playing them, so that they are not interactive with the gamer. The goal of making such movies interactive, rendered by the PS3 in real-time, is something they are confident in achieving with the PS3."

http://www.ps3insider.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=122

yeah, low, low-end CG. not film grade CG. maybe 8)

God, not more "CG in real time" hype. I am still waiting for "Phantom Menace special effects" rendered in real-time on PS2.

I hope we won't hear "Final Fantasy X CG in real-time!" this time around. That Final Fantasy VIII demo was not really representative of the PlayStation 2's graphics.

 

[j^aws]

something that caught my eye


"It was also mentioned in the article that a goal of the PS3 will be to render currently pre-rendered material in real time. It was not mentioned as to what material this would include. Sony did mention how current CG movies are rendered with computers prior to playing them, so that they are not interactive with the gamer. The goal of making such movies interactive, rendered by the PS3 in real-time, is something they are confident in achieving with the PS3."

http://www.ps3insider.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=122

yeah, low, low-end CG. not film grade CG. maybe 8)

God, not more "CG in real time" hype. I am still waiting for "Phantom Menace special effects" rendered in real-time on PS2.

I hope we won't hear "Final Fantasy X CG in real-time!" this time around. That Final Fantasy VIII demo was not really representative of the PlayStation 2's graphics.

Either way the PS3 GPU will hold some surprises, good and bad...They would've learnt alot from their GScube experiments and as it's not on the ATI roadmap ala XB2 and Revolution, it will be a totally different exotic beast! 8)

 

[wco81]

I don't know about feature film CG but prerendered CG on a PS2 game isn't too bad. I saw the one for Onimusha 3 (the one that takes place in Paris) and that looked pretty good.

My 12/2000 vintage PS2 hasn't given me any problems. No DDE or DRE or whatever the acronym is for the PS2.

As for the timing, it'd be nice to have it soon but yeah if they can wait enough so that it's more likely to have more RAM, Blue-Ray, etc.

 

[Pepto-Bismol]

Anyway, this is off topic, so I'll stop here, now ...

This is SOO on topic! If anything, it reveals the character of the brand and, to a certain extent, its manufacturer ...

19 May 2003| A class-action lawsuit in California charges that Sony has misrepresented the PlayStation 2 by claiming that it also plays DVDs. The suit charges that many units stop reading DVDs after only a few months of use. Gee, that sounds just like what our [Consumer Affairs] readers have been saying. By the way, the problems with PlayStation 2 aren't all that new. Playstation 1 wasn't exactly perfect either.

"I bought PS2 a year and a half ago. Everything looked fine before I tried to watch some dvd rentals. Certain disks played, certain refused. After a few times my PS refused even to read a white coded PS2games. All it wants to read is the original demonstration game BLUE COATED ONLY." - Parnaozichvili of diest, Flemish-Brab, Belgium (3/23/04)

"Returned a playstation that had stopped working to Best Buy. I had bought the extended warranty. Got a new one no problem and was home in 10 min., hooked up the new system and it doesn't work. Went right back to store, got the same clerk only this time he disappeared in back for a few minutes, then comes back and tells me that the sticker on the back of the unit looked tampered with and they would not accept this unit back.

I explained that this was the unit they just gave me 10 min ago when the manager shows up and practically accuses me of trying to pull some kind of scam. Now I have a Playstation that doesn't work and I'm out $340. I looked at the sticker in question and agreed that it did looked tampered with but it wasn't by me. I was obviously sold a returned unit as new." - Craig of Fort Lauderdale FL (3/18/03)

Source: Consumer Affairs

 

[Spidermate]

something that caught my eye


"It was also mentioned in the article that a goal of the PS3 will be to render currently pre-rendered material in real time. It was not mentioned as to what material this would include. Sony did mention how current CG movies are rendered with computers prior to playing them, so that they are not interactive with the gamer. The goal of making such movies interactive, rendered by the PS3 in real-time, is something they are confident in achieving with the PS3."

http://www.ps3insider.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=122

yeah, low, low-end CG. not film grade CG. maybe 8)

God, not more "CG in real time" hype. I am still waiting for "Phantom Menace special effects" rendered in real-time on PS2.

If you were expecting this out of the PS2 or anything related to it,it can only mean that you are a very gullible person.Not even a top of the line PC for this generation is able to get close to this geometry,let alone a console.Not even the PS3 or an upgraded PC for next generation will hit this mark.The most we could possibly expect from these consoles and the PC are stills or CG scenes from games of today.

 

[Spidermate]

What durability issues?
Between the three consoles in market, I'm under the impression that the GCN is the most durable, but the PS2 and xbox are neither exceptionally prone to breaking. Not any more so than most other consumer electronics gadgets.
PS2 unreliable quality is just a myth, fuelled by internet rumours.

Yeah those damn several friends of mine and TechTV have been lying all this time about having to open up their PS2's to fix disc read error issues. For some reason the DVD drive in the PS2 does go unaligned. I can see several people as a result mailing their PS2 to Sony or saying screw it.


http://www.g4techtv.com/feature.aspx?article_key=45797

This has a lot more to do with quantity and not quality.Look at the numbers for a second.Sony has sold 71 million consoles to Microsoft and Nintendo's 14 to 15 million.There is no surprise that their product will have the highest hardware errors.But,if you were to do an estimate of the total amount of consoles sold and the total amount with hardware errors,the difference is more like 10% defects.