Playstation 5 [PS5] [Release November 12 2020]

And an interesting question is will existing external drives work with this PS5? Or will Sony go to some lengths to prevent external drives working with future PS5 and/or prevent PS5's external drive working with other platforms.

To be fair to Sony, when it comes to drives, they've embraced standard drives and USB devices since the PS3. So.. maybe.

They didn't have slightly customized firmware on the optical drives?

I ask because I know Microsoft had that (customized optical drive firmware) on X360 and maybe still has it on the One and Series consoles. The X360 even had the drive and mb "married" so you couldn't swap it out for another unless you spoofed the key. I don't know if the pairing continued with Xbox One.
 
They didn't have slightly customized firmware on the optical drives?

Custom firmware? Not that I'm aware of and the iFixit guides don't mention anything. I think the biggest challenge is finding a drive that fits in the chassis. Most Blu-ray mechanisms were not slot-loaders but tray mechanisms. You can connect an external DVD drive via USB-A to the PS3 and it "just worked".

It felt like Sony gave up on custom media after failing to get the world to adopt Betamax, DAT, MiniDisc, ATRAC, MemoryStick and UMD.
 
Custom firmware? Not that I'm aware of and the iFixit guides don't mention anything. I think the biggest challenge is finding a drive that fits in the chassis. Most Blu-ray mechanisms were not slot-loaders but tray mechanisms. You can connect an external DVD drive via USB-A to the PS3 and it "just worked".

It felt like Sony gave up on custom media after failing to get the world to adopt Betamax, DAT, MiniDisc, ATRAC, MemoryStick and UMD.
That's pretty damn slick. Even if its common sense (to everyone but companies), it's good to see any company not jumping through hoops to prevent users from doing self-repairs.
 
That's pretty damn slick. Even if its common sense (to everyone but companies), it's good to see any company not jumping through hoops to prevent users from doing self-repairs.
I think Sony caught Microsoft off guard that generation, as Sony went with hardware standard components across the board and Microsoft were going with custom firmware drives and branded HDDs and expensive bespoke Wifi adaptors. It's kind of surprising that Sony were willing to give up on that accessory market because I know they made a killing with memory cards during the PlayStation and PS2 generations. They were ridiculously profitable.
 
They didn't have slightly customized firmware on the optical drives?

I ask because I know Microsoft had that (customized optical drive firmware) on X360 and maybe still has it on the One and Series consoles. The X360 even had the drive and mb "married" so you couldn't swap it out for another unless you spoofed the key. I don't know if the pairing continued with Xbox One.
I thought you have to jump through some hoops to swap PS3 BD drives, in that some aspect of the drive is “married” to the PS3: see here. Hope I’m wrong, as then I could try swapping the BD drive (or at least the lens assembly) from my YLOD fat to my BD-blind slim.
 
I am positive I don't want my only source of games being that Sony store.

I have never seen an optical disc corrode. Is there an era where that was a problem? PS1 or DC maybe?
I randomly only about a year ago had my gta4 360 ballad of gay Tony disc destroy itself from the inside. It was super weird but the telltale dark spots on the back of the disc were there. I still have many discs from PS1 era that work fine so the fact that it seemingly occurs at random regardless of age scares me

I don't really have much issue with PSN as a service, since I've been using it anyways around 2010ish. My original account still works, I don't pay full price and there are pretty frequent sales on the store where I get games for 40 50 or 60 percent off. Maybe I'm part of the problem for devs not earning enough cuz I have not paid full price for a game in 5 years.

And it's honestly just more convenient and less scummy feeling to step into a GameStop nowadays
 
I randomly only about a year ago had my gta4 360 ballad of gay Tony disc destroy itself from the inside. It was super weird but the telltale dark spots on the back of the disc were there. I still have many discs from PS1 era that work fine so the fact that it seemingly occurs at random regardless of age scares me
That is interesting. DVDs even have that second polycarbonate disc on top of the metal layer. Maybe there was contamination inside from manufacturing.
 
I thought you have to jump through some hoops to swap PS3 BD drives, in that some aspect of the drive is “married” to the PS3: see here. ...
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The remarrying procedure isn't necessary on 25xx models, it's required ONLY on PHAT models and slims 20xx and 21xx when changing the BD drive daughter-board that's screwed under the enclosure.​

It's the daughter board that handles the security issue, and the drives are just standard, from the sounds of it.
 
What is Playstation Plus Extra? Is it rotating games like Gamepass? Or is it supposed to be adding?
Quick check says like up to 400 games. Thats significantly larger than Gamepass's 100 that are entering and living at inconsistent intervals
 
Yeah but I am trying to understand how games rotate in Extra

For PlayStation Plus Extra/Premium, some seem to be in there for extremely short time like 3 or 4 months. Some for a little longer like 6 months. Maybe some in there for a year. I think some may even be in there for multiple years now.

Since you mentioned it earlier, nearly all of the Third Party GamePass titles are on the service for 6 months at a minimum, with most titles remaining for 12 months, though there are some that have been on it for multiple years. The following page shows 467 "console titles" and 455 "pc titles" when including EA Play portion - https://www.xbox.com/en-us/xbox-game-pass/games
 
I wonder if the difference in lapse date is down to the money Sony is giving to the publisher or dev in question. MS can surely eat any price so they can have a baseline but bigger games probably cost a lot more upfront than others to host on these subscription services I'm guessing
 
Yeah but I am trying to understand how games rotate in Extra
Theoretically rotating games service. For now no games have being taken out. I think we only know of one game that is going to leave the service next year: GTA collection. No dates have being set for any other games.
Current Extra (100€ / year) is their best service. There are tons of great PS4 / PS5 games on Extra (on top of PS+ games available every months when you have Extra). And you can play online games obviously with all subs. Premium is shite.
 
Custom firmware? Not that I'm aware of and the iFixit guides don't mention anything. I think the biggest challenge is finding a drive that fits in the chassis. Most Blu-ray mechanisms were not slot-loaders but tray mechanisms. You can connect an external DVD drive via USB-A to the PS3 and it "just worked".
from the ifixit guide:
If replacing the Blu-ray drive with a new drive, swap the circuit board from your old drive into the new drive.
The drive firmware is married to the motherboard. You basically have to swap the circuit board from the old, married drive to the replacement for them to work.

End of second post:

Warning:​
Some parts of this post should be disregarded.​
The remarrying procedure isn't necessary on 25xx models, it's required ONLY on PHAT models and slims 20xx and 21xx when changing the BD drive daughter-board that's screwed under the enclosure.​

It's the daughter board that handles the security issue, and the drives are just standard, from the sounds of it.
The 25xx models (and beyond) use drives without logic boards at all. The drive logic was moved to the motherboard, and it's still custom and married to the board firmware. I don't know if a logicless BRD drive is standard in any other device, although I would imagine that most of the parts (spindle, corkscrew, laser rails, ect) are off the shelf parts. The feeder, though, seams fairly "Sony custom" to me, with many exclusive parts that change with every drive revision.
 
from the ifixit guide:

The drive firmware is married to the motherboard. You basically have to swap the circuit board from the old, married drive to the replacement for them to work.


The 25xx models (and beyond) use drives without logic boards at all. The drive logic was moved to the motherboard, and it's still custom and married to the board firmware. I don't know if a logicless BRD drive is standard in any other device, although I would imagine that most of the parts (spindle, corkscrew, laser rails, ect) are off the shelf parts. The feeder, though, seams fairly "Sony custom" to me, with many exclusive parts that change with every drive revision.

So, you can't use any "off the shelf" drives as replacements on 25xx models? Or does the system somehow bypass the logic board on any "off the shelf" drive?

Regardless of whether you can or can't at least it makes it easier to replace a faulty drive, so Sony can be commended for that.

Regards,
SB
 
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