Old Discussion Thread for all 3 motion controllers

I know all about PS3MC, a bunch of friends have been working on it for ages, but I know little to nothing about Natal aside from the video today. But if it can detect where limbs are and depth as well, then it should be adaptable to all types of games including fps. In other words, if it can position your hands in three space, then you should be able to do just about anything with it. It may be dependent on software support for that, but that's Microsoft strong suit anyways.

 

PS3MC consist in two pieces, eye toy + nunchuck like stuff.
Between I'm not sure the tech is intended for fps, what Ms showed was clearly aimed to super casual audience, the kind who usually is happy enough with monoploy.

 

Eye of Judgement seemed like a good bundle that told the user what you need.

Besides, wouldn't that be the same for the new motion plus for wii?

 

It clearly depend on what kind of hardware the thing include and the porcessing power needed to run the proprietary software. We're kind of let in the dark so far.

 

Come on, with that amount of lag? and how are you going to pull the trigger? don't get me started on the precision Natal has.....

 

ok i dont know about you guys but this natal stuff seems over the top, I look at the field of vision computing and they cant even track a persons face without great lighting conditions and perfect calibration. it reminds me a lot from speech-to-text algorithms, where you're trying to make something out of a lot of noise, and speech-to-text took a dozen years and it still isn't perfect.

mapping pixels to a 3d model, I dont know man at the very least you could do what eyetoy is doing , and maybe with more precision, but isnt there lag as well in most cameras

 

The concept of the PS3 motion controller does allow for a d-pad implementation.

That is something missing from Natal on the other hand since it does not require any tangible object that can have a d-pad unless there is some kind of other solution we did not think about or the player holds something. The latter defeats the purpose of Natal.

 

Indeed, as it stands (without additional "pieces"), Natal is for casual, and casual only.

 

I think the controller will end up being something like the rumored split Dualshock. Bundle one controller with the PS eye. The package should be simple enough.

 

I can see the limitations of not having buttons, but until people actually play it comments about precision and lag are just guesswork.

 

Natal doesn't look suited to pointing (or moving from point A to point B without a controller) at all, and there is a considerable lag in the b-roll videos knocking about on Youtube which would seem to compound this issue. Obviously (as has been said), time will tell whether this is or isn't the case; however I think people who are trying to pitch Natal against PS3MC are missing the point. The PS3MC is meant to be a precision instrument; Natal is meant to be more about increasing personal involvement. They are intended to be used in different ways, and should play to their strengths rather than to that of their rivals.

Incidentally, what does everyone make of the voice recognition? It's certainly cool, but it doesn't seem like something the PSEye can't do does it? I played EndWar using my PSEye to pick up my voice with no problems at all. Natal implies the recognition is done within the Natal's own processing system, whereas the PSEye would rely on software. Is that the only difference, or is there more to it?

 

Exactly.

Wii has been doing a great job with it, but if grandma doesn't even need to press a button or hold anything (arthritis etc), then this will have even more room to grow.

Also, not having to point at the screen will help.

I see this Natal thing as so different from xb360's core market, that it really should be a separate platform.

 

As long as there are hardcore games available fo both the new devices ill be happy.

I dont want casual games not my cup of tea.

 

EyeToy for PS2.

 

Other way you can consider as a complete product but I agree intended to casual audience.
Basically you buy the thing and you can play with your friends or your family.

 

I wouldn't pay too much attention to this point. The Wiimote was not a proven concept when it was released, and it paid dividends in being suitably different.

Implementing something which, to the average user, is nothing but a clone of what Nintendo has done can be spun either as a "proven concept" as well as a "copycat". Depends on the angle you want to go for...

FWIW, all 3 companies are using "proven concepts" because they are demonstrably valid in the real world. This isn't theory, there is hardware out there for all the consoles for this to work with.

 

Where did you get this assessment? The simplest tasks are prob scrolling and entering which were shown on stage live to be not a problem.

 

Yes, the marketing part is most definitely crucial.

One thing unknown is whether the PS3 waggle prototype will become a "transformer" DualShock controller, and replace SIXAXIS/DS3 altogether in the future.

 

The Natal still needs some sort of pointer equivalent. I'm guessing that by the pen demo, the PS3Wand (ew) has some functional equivalent.