No HDMI Cable with PS3
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Sony should also pay for routine Eye and Ear checkups so that the gamer can enjoy every small pixel and every little sound effect.
Personally I could care less about a 6-10 dollar HDMI cable, the taxes of the box are going to cost more than that. lol But I would like to see Sony take the more standard approach as they have done with the hard drive and wireless controller, it would make my day to see a headset packed in standard with my purchase. Maybe a wired headset packed in, and a wireless headset sold seperately. Probably wishful thinking though as money is made by accessories. :/
It would be nice though.
Personally, at the moment I'd need a 10 meter HDMI cable for PS3 as I need to run it straight from PS3 to my front projector.
I do have one for my DVD player already (paid €100 for it.. I kow I could have got one cheaper but I bought it with the PJ, screen and DVD plus other stuff from the same place, so in that bundle that wasn't too much as the deal was very good in all the other stuff).
By the time the PS3 is in my home, I'd still need a 10 meter cable, as I won't have an AV receiver with HDMI until late next year at best. Only then would I have use for a 1m-2m HDMI cable id one would be bundled with the PS3.
With HD and home thearter setups being more common, it's no longer given the game console would be put beside or under the telly, often it's much further than that 1,5 meters the cables the consoles ship with would allow for placement.
It's all about choice you see. You know Sony doesn't want to force that 1,5 meter HDMI cable down your throat and force you to shove your prescious console on some shelf under your telly
I do have one for my DVD player already (paid €100 for it.. I kow I could have got one cheaper but I bought it with the PJ, screen and DVD plus other stuff from the same place, so in that bundle that wasn't too much as the deal was very good in all the other stuff).
By the time the PS3 is in my home, I'd still need a 10 meter cable, as I won't have an AV receiver with HDMI until late next year at best. Only then would I have use for a 1m-2m HDMI cable id one would be bundled with the PS3.
With HD and home thearter setups being more common, it's no longer given the game console would be put beside or under the telly, often it's much further than that 1,5 meters the cables the consoles ship with would allow for placement.
It's all about choice you see. You know Sony doesn't want to force that 1,5 meter HDMI cable down your throat and force you to shove your prescious console on some shelf under your telly
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Again, it is not really fair to compare an online price with what the consumer is faced with in the store. Trivializing the lack of an HDMI cable by finding the cheapest price online is just inaccurate with what most people who wanted to hook the PS3 up to their TV through HDMI will experience. Especially if they buy it at a chain store with stupid pressure tactics:
Personally I could care less about a 6-10 dollar HDMI cable, the taxes of the box are going to cost more than that. lol But I would like to see Sony take the more standard approach as they have done with the hard drive and wireless controller, it would make my day to see a headset packed in standard with my purchase. Maybe a wired headset packed in, and a wireless headset sold seperately. Probably wishful thinking though as money is made by accessories. :/
It would be nice though.
Employee: You know this doesn't come with HDMI cables?
Consumer: HDMI?
Employee: Yeah, it's only way to unlock the full graphical potential of Blu-ray movies and next gen games.
Consumer: But I have those component cables I think. That'll work, right?
Employee: Definitely not, those aren't even hi-def cables. Here, we have the top of the line Monster HDMI cables that will actually make the textures in-game even more hi-def. Only $129.
Anyway, I also find it ironic that the "it's so cheap" argument is used, since if it is indeed so cheap, why not just include it?
FWIW, I'm not convinced yet that the PS3 lacks an HDMI cable. I know the web site says it does, but I'm going to wait to see official packaging...
HDMI cable has zero utility for most people, so why include it ? It will increase the cost unnecessarily for everyone.
Using "dubious retail store tactics" as a reason for bundling an optional component is strange. Salesman will always try to upsell regardless of what's in the package. Witness the Xbox 360 bundle fiasco during its launch. I found USD 1,000 premium Xbox 360 package in BestBuy that include games that I don't want and even a gaming chair. Does it mean that Xbox 360 should include every launch game and a gaming chair now ?
As for price of the HDMI cable, it really depends on your setup. Some just want a cheap cable, while others need extra length, or a branded one. It's cleaner to leave it out of the picture and address the majority needs (perhaps component/composite cable). Blu-ray is already there for the leap. A missing HDMI cable at this moment won't stop it.
Using "dubious retail store tactics" as a reason for bundling an optional component is strange. Salesman will always try to upsell regardless of what's in the package. Witness the Xbox 360 bundle fiasco during its launch. I found USD 1,000 premium Xbox 360 package in BestBuy that include games that I don't want and even a gaming chair. Does it mean that Xbox 360 should include every launch game and a gaming chair now ?
As for price of the HDMI cable, it really depends on your setup. Some just want a cheap cable, while others need extra length, or a branded one. It's cleaner to leave it out of the picture and address the majority needs (perhaps component/composite cable). Blu-ray is already there for the leap. A missing HDMI cable at this moment won't stop it.
I'm fine with Sony not bundling the HDMI cable. I disagree that people can shrug it off as only a $6 accessory.
And I disagree that Sony would just eat up the cost of it.
(Not directed at you personally). Do people really think that Ken Kutaragi would buy the cables from his paycheck and drop one together with some fairy-dust into each Package?
Whatever the cost is, Customers will ultimately pay for it, even if its indirect through games. You could as well have a choice what you buy with your money.
If you want a PS3 with a 160 GB HDD you see the bundled HDDs as useless baggage that you have to pay for. Its the same for cables.
http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/specs.html
Here's link to playstation 3's official page and there's rather unpleasant information:
"Video output in HD requirers cables and an HD-compatible display, both sold separately"... and so on. Then it's written about Blu-Ray movies and that they requirers HDMI cable sold separately. G, does it mean that Component cable is also optional it seems so 'cause this information regards both versions. What do you think about that? I would mind lack of HDMI cable, but this is outrageous.
Here's link to playstation 3's official page and there's rather unpleasant information:
"Video output in HD requirers cables and an HD-compatible display, both sold separately"... and so on. Then it's written about Blu-Ray movies and that they requirers HDMI cable sold separately. G, does it mean that Component cable is also optional it seems so 'cause this information regards both versions. What do you think about that? I would mind lack of HDMI cable, but this is outrageous.
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Ya really. In reality the consumer is faced with the option of buying the overpriced cable from Bestbuy or where ever they picked up their PS3, for at least $50. Or order online, and wait weeks to recieve it in the mail.
That vast majority of consumers have never heard of monoprice.com, and will end up buying the HDMI cable in store, and it won;t be cheap. My opinion is you're paying six hundred dollars and they can't even bundle an HDMI cable and that's pretty weak.
Add in the HDMI cable, and extended warrantee for most consumers, we're now at $700 before even getting a game or extra controller.
Crap so the HD-Display aint included either
I fully agree bout the missing components, it should be either component (RGB-Scart) or nothing. Adding a composite-only cable, like current consoles do, should be classified crime.
Sure ! It may mean that some of these "majority" (They are really minority) will go with component/RGB cable for now, some will buy the in-store HDMI, some will choose to buy online (for cheaper or *gasp* more expensive sorts). The bottomline is *the overwhelming majority* of the folks don't have to pay for the bundled HDMI cable if they don't use it.
They may eventually get a HDMI connector when they are ready or when the price falls (but at least they have the option to do so).
EDIT: I'm really more interested in what kind of TV cable gets bundled.
scooby_dooby
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No the bottom line is Sony doesn't have to pay for the cable as the price would be $600 anyways.
Trying to spin this as some cost savings passed onto the consumer is ridiculous.
For the premium prices they're charging, I think the $500 model should come with components, and the $600 model with both HDMI and Component.
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Huh ? So now Sony has to bundle HDMI cable + other TV cables like what TrungGap mentioned in USD 600 ? Where is the RGB cable in Xbox 360 in this case (to enjoy what Peter Moore proclaimed the "HD Era") ? Please be reasonable.
The *overwhelming* majority of the PS3 owners do not have HDMI TV set. The cost will translate into something... even if not in the initial price tag (e.g., more expensive perpherals like Xbox 360 ? or subscription model in online games ?).
EDIT: There are other components in PS3 that fill in the price gap. Of course consumers like us will want to get more, but where does it stop ? As I mentioned, if they want to include an optional component like a HDMI cable, I'd rather they include a second controller which will likely get more utility.
The *overwhelming* majority of the PS3 owners do not have HDMI TV set. The cost will translate into something... even if not in the initial price tag (e.g., more expensive perpherals like Xbox 360 ? or subscription model in online games ?).
EDIT: There are other components in PS3 that fill in the price gap. Of course consumers like us will want to get more, but where does it stop ? As I mentioned, if they want to include an optional component like a HDMI cable, I'd rather they include a second controller which will likely get more utility.
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Hmm, a this isn't good. I wasn't expecting Sony to be that cheap, if the $599 model doesn't come with a component cable much like the xbox.
The xbox component cable works with most TVs (in the US). It has both component and composite on the same cable. While it's not the ideal solution for everyone, but at bare minimum it works out of the box for the majority. I believe Sony will go this route too. Afterall, they're Sony...they are master of consumer home electronics...
I'd actually have less of a problem with this if both SKUs had HDMI and neither had the cable. But the fact that Sony is charging extra for HDMI on this 599 version and then NOT including the cable is poor form.
I know theres other added features in the 599 version but i'm sure if we did a poll on the "main reason why youre buying the 599 version" it would be mostly because of HDMI. If the 499 version had HDMI, i would be buying that one for sure (even if it was $549 instead of 499).
Not a huge deal, just annoyed at Sony being cheap on a console that theyre setting new standards in pricing for.
I know theres other added features in the 599 version but i'm sure if we did a poll on the "main reason why youre buying the 599 version" it would be mostly because of HDMI. If the 499 version had HDMI, i would be buying that one for sure (even if it was $549 instead of 499).
Not a huge deal, just annoyed at Sony being cheap on a console that theyre setting new standards in pricing for.
I think everyone I've ever known who's owned a computing device that connects to a TV has bought an independent cable for it. Excepting those devices that only connected by RF. I know I have. The device comes with the cheapest generic solution to connect to the display and if you want the better quality that comes with better connectors, you buy them seperately. I don't see any reason why this would change for any platform, unless there's ever actually a standard appear...
As long as the bundled cables allow BRD to play at full resolution on compatible sets, that's as much as should be expected from any company and there's nothing to complain about. As consumer's we'll always want more for our money, but it's never gonna happen!
As long as the bundled cables allow BRD to play at full resolution on compatible sets, that's as much as should be expected from any company and there's nothing to complain about. As consumer's we'll always want more for our money, but it's never gonna happen!
I don't exactly understand what you're trying to say here but if you find faults with the sites' language, talk to them directly. It's more effective that way (I sent them a flame mail, and got a polite reply back after about 1 week
).In general, business folks will try to keep the language simple (no IFs and BUTs). It's actually clearer that way (less confusing) for the average consumers... before they throw up their hands and walk away.
If Sony go down the path of trying to explain the details, they will have to bring up BD+ (Fox's security stuff) and all. It might be better just to link to an official Blu-ray or HDMI site for these follow ups. Not sure if they did it (There are pros and cons to linking to an external site, from marketing point of view).
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