Next Xbox for debut at E3 2012?

[pc999]

Again Huh???? The idea is they will sell a version of Windows for Xbox as a SEPARATE piece of software just like they sell games. There is no need to increase the price of the Xbox hardware. They will not bundle Windows with a Xbox and have a separate higher priced SKU...there is no need to. You just buy the software and install it yourself just like you install games on the HDD.

Windows division does not lose money...windows division makes money whether they're selling copies/licenses of Windows for PC hardware or Xbox hardware...makes no difference.

That wasnt clear in the first post.

Anyway it would be quite expensive software (much more than the pre instaled) to follow the same bussiness plan and how many people would like to do that, it is even more work than in a new PC?

It would hardly have any significant user base, IMO, and probably very little supported, a basic services interface like Live Dashboard is a much better idea IMO.

It would also be interesting to see the reaction of PC manufacturers, could they start to feel pressure and offer cheaper arm based linux/android/webos based PCs

 

[RudeCurve]

If you look at the current PC market there is a ton of PC parts for upgraders and DIY PC builders. If you build a PC you have to buy the WinOS it doesn't come for free, this has always been the case. It's only "free" if you buy a complete PC with WinOS preinstalled.

Personally I would love the option to install Windows on my 250GB X360 Slim. It means I would be able to do a lot more with the Xbox without having to fire up my existing PC everytime I need to do something PC related. Often times after playing games on Xbox I would want to surf the internet or check email etc.

Technically they could add more services to Dashboard but it's just better to not have to depend on new Dashboard updates in the hope that it would provide some extra functionality that I could already get from running Windows on Xbox.

 

[AlphaWolf]

If you look at the current PC market there is a ton of PC parts for upgraders and DIY PC builders. If you build a PC you have to buy the WinOS it doesn't come for free, this has always been the case. It's only "free" if you buy a complete PC with WinOS preinstalled.

Personally I would love the option to install Windows on my 250GB X360 Slim. It means I would be able to do a lot more with the Xbox without having to fire up my existing PC everytime I need to do something PC related. Often times after playing games on Xbox I would want to surf the internet or check email etc.

It's about value. Would this add value to the platform for a significant number of users at a low enough cost? Probably not.

Technically they could add more services to Dashboard but it's just better to not have to depend on new Dashboard updates in the hope that it would provide some extra functionality that I could already get from running Windows on Xbox.

Better for you maybe, for MS not so much.

 

[pc999]

If you look at the current PC market there is a ton of PC parts for upgraders and DIY PC builders. If you build a PC you have to buy the WinOS it doesn't come for free, this has always been the case. It's only "free" if you buy a complete PC with WinOS preinstalled.

That doesnt sound like the averange PC user, less even the averange console user...

Personally I would love the option to install Windows on my 250GB X360 Slim. It means I would be able to do a lot more with the Xbox without having to fire up my existing PC everytime I need to do something PC related. Often times after playing games on Xbox I would want to surf the internet or check email etc.

It seems that you can do that on Wii U, but that one doomed, right .

Technically they could add more services to Dashboard but it's just better to not have to depend on new Dashboard updates in the hope that it would provide some extra functionality that I could already get from running Windows on Xbox.

To me it sounds that it can be like headaches they dont need to have, I only see them doing windows in any form for XB if the others have something similar (eg linux) and it is very popular.

 

[RudeCurve]

That doesnt sound like the averange PC user, less even the averange console user...

Are you having trouble with logic?

The average PC user knows how to install software. The average Xbox user knows how to install games. Games = software....ABC 123....yes/no? You don't need to be a DIY PC builder to be able to install games onto the HDD in Xbox.

It seems that you can do that on Wii U, but that one doomed, right .

You can't run WinOS on WiiU.

The internet browsing experience on Wii is HORRIBLE, typing with the Wiimote? The Wii is BROKEN...and will never be a PC replacement...

To me it sounds that it can be like headaches they dont need to have, I only see them doing windows in any form for XB if the others have something similar (eg linux) and it is very popular.

If it benefits them and also gives consumers a better ownership experience and doesn't cost too much they will do it. MS doesn't have to wait until sombody does it, they could be a leader instead of a follower. What's easier than putting your own software on your own hardware?

 

[pc999]

Are you having trouble with logic?

The average PC user knows how to install software. The average Xbox user knows how to install games. Games = software....ABC 123....yes/no? You don't need to be a DIY PC builder to be able to install games onto the HDD in Xbox.

Funny, I think the averange PC user cant do much beside type something in google and save its own office document/pictures, after that they spend a lot of time to do whatever it is.

You can't run WinOS on WiiU.

Thank God for that

The internet browsing experience on Wii is HORRIBLE, typing with the Wiimote? The Wii is BROKEN...and will never be a PC replacement...

I am talking about Wii U, just for you to recall.

Anyway you can type on a Wii U controler...

If it benefits them and also gives consumers a better ownership experience and doesn't cost too much they will do it. MS doesn't have to wait until sombody does it, they could be a leader instead of a follower. What's easier than putting your own software on your own hardware?

Sure they could, but there is plenty, aforementioned reasons why they could choose not to do it.

 

[RudeCurve]

If you don't know how to put a disc into a drive and follow the onscreen instructions then you are beyond stupid and likely cannot even operate a game console given that a game console requires said operation...

Thank God for that

If the Wii U could run Windows for free I'm sure Nintendo would LOVE to have that capability....

 

[pc999]

If you don't know how to put a disc into a drive and follow the onscreen instructions then you are beyond stupid and likely cannot even operate a game console given that a game console requires said operation...

Usually they just have difficult when the on screen instruction disappear, and they do, soon, or when there is incompatibility problems, or driver problems, or any of the to often problems
that usually appears, plus the where is question, how do you do question, plus the...question

If the Wii U could run Windows for free I'm sure Nintendo would LOVE to have that capability....

Even I would love that , but I have my doubts that MS would like it...

 

[RudeCurve]

Usually they just have difficult when the on screen instruction disappear, and they do, soon, or when there is incompatibility problems, or driver problems, or any of the to often problems
that usually appears, plus the where is question, how do you do question, plus the...question...

Well the Xbox is closed hardware so there shouldn't be any driver problems if MS offers a specific version of Windows for Xbox.

It's about value. Would this add value to the platform for a significant number of users at a low enough cost? Probably not. .

Does a $60 game add value?

Does a $150 Kinect add value?

Does a $100 WinOS add value?

I think they all add value.

Why build another PC when I already have a Xbox that can potentially run Windows?

 

[betan]

Microsoft, as the prominent PC-OS maker, cannot make a hardware platform and sell it's own OS as the single optional OS. It will probably be a problem in US, definitely be a problem in EU, thanks to antitrust laws.

Plus, to be honest, I see little value in a non-backward compatible Windows OS that requires 20+GB installation.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Well the Xbox is closed hardware so there shouldn't be any driver problems if MS offers a specific version of Windows for Xbox.

It's not a problem until they change something, but they will change things over the course of time. It's not just a matter of getting windows to run on the box, they have to keep it running if they offer it.

Does a $60 game add value?

Does a $150 Kinect add value?

Millions of people buy the box for these things.

Does a $100 WinOS add value?

Not to the majority of the people buying a console because they wanted to avoid having to deal with WinOS.

I think they all add value.

Why build another PC when I already have a Xbox that can potentially run Windows?

I think it has been firmly established that you're not representative of the majority or even a large minority. The upside to offering windows on the box seems pretty small, especially when your primary argument is that it lets you avoid building another PC. MS still makes money on windows if you do build that PC.

 

[RudeCurve]

It's not a problem until they change something, but they will change things over the course of time. It's not just a matter of getting windows to run on the box, they have to keep it running if they offer it.

PC hardware change over time too, but Windows still runs on them. Windows XP still runs on current hardware and that OS was released 10 years ago.

Millions of people buy the box for these things.

And millions of people buy hardware just to be able to to run Windows apps.

Not to the majority of the people buying a console because they wanted to avoid having to deal with WinOS.

There's nothing to deal with. It's an optional component that allows an Xbox to function as a PC nothing more nothing less. If you don't need or want the Xbox to functiona as a PC then you don't buy the Windows software.

I think it has been firmly established that you're not representative of the majority or even a large minority. The upside to offering windows on the box seems pretty small, especially when your primary argument is that it lets you avoid building another PC. MS still makes money on windows if you do build that PC.

Why does it have to be a majority? Also that wasn't my primary argument. My primary argument is millions of people want PCs that run Windows. If they don't already have a PC but have or plan to buy an Xbox they could have both in one box without having to spend twice the money. MS still makes money but the consumers prefer to save money and not have to buy another piece of hardware that's already included in a game console.

 

[liolio]

Honestly windows 7 on 360 would be awful, winphone 7 is another matter but is it worse the development effort? I've doubts it would comes too late into the 360 life.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Honestly windows 7 on 360 would be awful.

1) Why? 2) We're talking about next XB here, which could be designed with an eye on allowing people to spend $50 to install Windows and get a cheap yet capable PC as added value. If I'm going to buy a console anyway, and could also do with a new more powerful PC, that option would be tremendous value for me.

 

[MarkoIt]

On the next Xbox there will be a lite version of Windows 8. Metro UI, with app support from the app store. But i don't expect Office or for example, photoshop to run on it. It fall in the middle between the tablet version and the phone version.

 

[AlphaWolf]

PC hardware change over time too, but Windows still runs on them. Windows XP still runs on current hardware and that OS was released 10 years ago

Not without significant resources on the part of MS.

And millions of people buy hardware just to be able to to run Windows apps.

yes and they will continue to do so

There's nothing to deal with. It's an optional component that allows an Xbox to function as a PC nothing more nothing less. If you don't need or want the Xbox to functiona as a PC then you don't buy the Windows software.

the point being the vast majority of people don't want it. they buy a console because they want a console experience. if they wanted to have a pc hooked to their tv, they can already do that.

Why does it have to be a majority? Also that wasn't my primary argument. My primary argument is millions of people want PCs that run Windows. If they don't already have a PC but have or plan to buy an Xbox they could have both in one box without having to spend twice the money. MS still makes money but the consumers prefer to save money and not have to buy another piece of hardware that's already included in a game console.

the numbers need to be high enough to expend resources. so ms expends extra effort to make the same or less money, thats a terribly compelling argument for them. im sure they'll get right on it

 

[Platon]

Honestly windows 7 on 360 would be awful, winphone 7 is another matter but is it worse the development effort? I've doubts it would comes too late into the 360 life.

That is the thing that I makes a bi more sense. Have the next xbox act maybe a bit like a phone/tablet but instead of touch screen you have the kinect...

 

[liolio]

1) Why? 2) We're talking about next XB here, which could be designed with an eye on allowing people to spend $50 to install Windows and get a cheap yet capable PC as added value. If I'm going to buy a console anyway, and could also do with a new more powerful PC, that option would be tremendous value for me.

Hum I thought that in his post Rudecurve was speaking of the actual 360
So the reason behind my statement was lack of RAM (512 MB is clearly not enough).

 

[tuna]

Personally I would love the option to install Windows on my 250GB X360 Slim. It means I would be able to do a lot more with the Xbox without having to fire up my existing PC everytime I need to do something PC related. Often times after playing games on Xbox I would want to surf the internet or check email etc.

If you want to write emails comfortably, you will need a keyboard. For surfing, get a tablet. Much easier to read than a big screen far away.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Not without significant resources on the part of MS.

That's not a big issue supporting a closed-hardware platform.

the point being the vast majority of people don't want it. they buy a console because they want a console experience. if they wanted to have a pc hooked to their tv, they can already do that.

That doesn't really make sense. People want to play games, and people want a computer. They're not deliberately wanting two different boxes and will avoid any combination device. Traditionally there has been need to have a division between the two, because the computer platform didn't provide a particularly good games platform. But one box that does it all will have appeal. There'll be some who play games only and won't need to buy the OS; those who'll focus on the games but use the computing aspect occasionally and value the convenience; those who switch between the two regularly, such as students; those who'd value a cheap yet capable computer with excellent support (because it's closed hardware with fixed resources, so much easier to support device drivers) and squeeze in a bit of gaming; and those who'd use it just as a computer, making MS the cost of an OS license which is no worse than they get from anyone buying a laptop, while also installing another box in a home that may one day be used to buy software or content.

the numbers need to be high enough to expend resources. so ms expends extra effort to make the same or less money, thats a terribly compelling argument for them.

MS are writing the OS anyway for x86 and ARM, and DX11 GPUs. If they design their system around such a box, supporting the OS will be negligible cost. They'll also give customers a better Windows experience, because those customer will have less OS and application issues.

im sure they'll get right on it

What's with all the narky comments from everyone these days? Why does a differing opinion warrant sarcasm or insult? Okay, RudeCurve invites that given his bad attitude, but the board as a whole should be above that so it's clear who's trouble and we can ditch them.