Next Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

[mrcorbo]

Is there confirmation that Azure will be hosting 9th-gen Xboxes for anything other than XCloud?
If not, then the Xbox division would be little more than a client of Azure's network infrastructures and said input from the Azure team would be related to external I/O bandwidth, latency, video codec performance and little more.

“The thing that’s interesting for us as we roll forward, is we’re actually designing our next-gen silicon in such a way that it works great for playing games in the cloud, and also works very well for machine learning and other non-entertainment workloads. As a company like Microsoft, we can dual-purpose the silicon that we’re putting in.

We have a consumer use for that silicon, and we have enterprise use for those blades as well. It all in our space around driving down the cost to serve. Your cost to serve is made up by two things, how much was the hardware, and how much time does that hardware monetize.

So if we can monetize that hardware over more cycles in the 24 hours through game streaming and other things that need CPU and GPU in the cloud, we will drive down the cost to serve in our services. So the design as we move forward is done hand-in-hand with the Azure silicon team, and I think that creates a real competitive advantage.”

 

[PSman1700]

I said previously 2080 and 2080TI will be thrown around as buzzwords

Why anyway?`Isn't it much better to compare to AMD products in that case, the 5700XT, the fastest AMD gpu right now?

 

[mrcorbo]

Why anyway?`Isn't it much better to compare to AMD products in that case, the 5700XT, the fastest AMD gpu right now?

Comparisons with Nvidia parts are more meaningful to more people.

Edited the above.

 

[PSman1700]

Nobody takes AMD PC parts seriously.

Then why take AMD's apu/soc solutions serious, they aren't that much better. A 5700XT is even a whole lot to expect in a console next year.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Historically Sony has never chased high end specs.

You what? PS2 and PS3 were very much about POWER and Sony made a huge song and dance about POWER. They were real marketing points for those boxes. And PS4 was the most powerful too. Can't see how you can look at the history of consoles and claim Sony haven't courted power.

 

[mrcorbo]

Then why take AMD's apu/soc solutions serious, they aren't that much better. A 5700XT is even a whole lot to expect in a console next year.

I take them seriously because they are best-in-class in that market. One could argue that the reason that PC GPU product development has lagged is that semi-custom is getting so much of the engineering resources.

 

[temesgen]

Xbox U

Xbox 180 would suggest a very powerful machine...

 

[Barrabas]

Xbox 180 would suggest a very powerful machine...

Yes, doing a 360 is back to where you started.....

 

[Proelite]

Why anyway?`Isn't it much better to compare to AMD products in that case, the 5700XT, the fastest AMD gpu right now?

5700 XT is not up to par, lacks VRS and RT.

 

[Globalisateur]

RTX 2080TI is $999 MSRP.

Retail PS5 is 2080 level.

I don't know whether or not the actual perfs be 1 to 1 with RTX series but those words will be thrown around by Sony + MS + devs.

Usually Xbox devkits have all CUs activated. Xbx devkit has 10% more flops. So it should be for instance about 13tf for Scarlett devkit and 12tf for retail machine if they have 56CUs in the devkit and 52CUs in the retail box.

 

[Proelite]

Usually Xbox devkits have all CUs activated. Xbx devkit has 10% more flops. So it should be for instance about 13tf for Scarlett devkit and 12tf for retail machine if they have 56CUs in the devkit and 52CUs in the retail box.

What I said...

That i don't know.
My personal guess is 52 at ~2.0ghz, or 56CUs ~1.8ghz. -4CU for retail.

 

[bgroovy]

Usually Xbox devkits have all CUs activated. Xbx devkit has 10% more flops. So it should be for instance about 13tf for Scarlett devkit and 12tf for retail machine if they have 56CUs in the devkit and 52CUs in the retail box.

Or maybe the devkit is 12TF and the final box is 10.8?

 

[PSman1700]

I take them seriously because they are best-in-class in that market.

Even better, they are the only one in that class. I'm sure Nvidia could provide an APU too, at a much higher price perhaps but also more performance.

5700 XT is not up to par, lacks VRS and RT.

I ment in performance. A 5700XT with added VRS/RT etc is quite a capable gpu.

 

[Proelite]

Even better, they are the only one in that class. I'm sure Nvidia could provide an APU too, at a much higher price perhaps but also more performance.



I ment in performance. A 5700XT with added VRS/RT etc is quite a capable gpu.

Still will be a tier below what will be in PS5 / Anaconda.

 

[Proelite]

Or maybe the devkit is 12TF and the final box is 10.8?

Nope. Retail is ~12TF, devkit is ~13.

 

[mrcorbo]

Even better, they are the only one in that class. I'm sure Nvidia could provide an APU too, at a much higher price perhaps but also more performance.

What makes you think that?

 

[PSman1700]

Still will be a tier below what will be in PS5 / Anaconda.

This isn't the baseless section, come with evidence that supports that idea if you want to be credible.

What makes you think that?

NV's GPU's offer more performance per watt already in the dGPU space, with NV's resources i'm sure they can do it. Thing is they aren't interested in the low margin/profit console space.

 

[Mihailjones]

Even better, they are the only one in that class. I'm sure Nvidia could provide an APU too, at a much higher price perhaps but also more performance.

Tell us how nvidia could make that APU without x86 license for the CPU? Make it ARM and emulate ps4/one cpu?

Even that makes it impossible, because both want to have backwards compability.

Also different GPU tech would make it much more difficult.

And NVIDIA arent expert in making APUs or CPUs so your theory sounds more like fanboy fantasy than reality

AMD could also provide faster APU if budget is higher, you know

 

[Proelite]

This isn't the baseless section, come with evidence that supports that idea if you want to be credible.

Anaconda being 12TF is not baseless, Brad Sams, Verge, Windows Central, all backs this up.
We know that PS5 is 10+TF, based on info from Jason Scheirer
We know that they have HW RT, and VRS from Lockhart having VRS + RT:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1195394941893038080

 

[PSman1700]

Brad Sams, Verge, Windows Central, all backs this up.

That's rumours, not facts.