A 2080 Ti is about 30% more powerful than a 2080, this is very significant and does not jive at all with the "slight difference in power" hints we've been given from other insiders. Not that I outright deny it but the idea of a 2080 Ti level console selling for $499 or even $599 is downright insanity and unfathomable. Gonna need a whole deck of receipts for proof.
A 2080 Ti is about 30% more powerful than a 2080, this is very significant and does not jive at all with the "slight difference in power" hints we've been given from other insiders. Not that I outright deny it but the idea of a 2080 Ti level console selling for $499 or even $599 is downright insanity and unfathomable. Gonna need a whole deck of receipts for proof.
New Why do people expect Sony to have the faster console? With 1 exception this has never been the case.
Why do people expect Sony to have the fastest console? With 1 exception this has never been the case.
conflicting information, dated information, not enough sources, not the right sources.Why do people expect Sony to have the fastest console? With 1 exception this has never been the case.
A 2080 Ti is about 30% more powerful than a 2080, this is very significant and does not jive at all with the "slight difference in power" hints we've been given from other insiders. Not that I outright deny it but the idea of a 2080 Ti level console selling for $499 or even $599 is downright insanity and unfathomable. Gonna need a whole deck of receipts for proof.
For me, anyone's credibility is gone the moment they say they can "assure you" next gen consoles are 12-13TF. As much as 2080TI is concerned, you would think Navi 2 with VRS and RT @ 13TF would be a match for 2080TI. So anyone saying that will pretty much indirectly tell you its ~2080TI level.For me, @Proelite 's credibility (or his sources' credibility) was killed when he made the Xbox >= 2080 Ti comment.
The 2080 Ti uses a ~19B chip that would probably be over 400mm^2 on 7nm. Adding around 60-70mm^2 worth of 8-core Zen2 would put a monolithic SoC at close to 500mm^2. Even if Microsoft goes with dGPU + Zen2 chiplet, the sheer size and/or clocks and power needed to make a 7nm Navi reach 2080 Ti levels of performance makes it very hard to fit in the typical TDP range of a home console.
For me, @Proelite 's credibility (or his sources' credibility) was killed when he made the Xbox >= 2080 Ti comment.
The 2080 Ti uses a ~19B chip that would probably be over 400mm^2 on 7nm. Adding around 60-70mm^2 worth of 8-core Zen2 would put a monolithic SoC at close to 500mm^2. Even if Microsoft goes with dGPU + Zen2 chiplet, the sheer size and/or clocks and power needed to make a 7nm Navi reach 2080 Ti levels of performance makes it very hard to fit in the typical TDP range of a home console.
As much as 2080TI is concerned, you would think Navi 2 with VRS and RT @ 13TF would be a match for 2080TI. So anyone saying that will pretty much indirectly tell you its ~2080TI level.
We expect Sony to have the (very) slightly faster console because there's been many different credible sources saying so, at least when referring to devkits.
Save from random pastebins, AFAIK all we have on 9th-gen Xbox being faster is a very old and rather vague statement from Phil Spencer and one user from this forum claiming "2080 Ti performance" out of the blue.
Plain logic would actually say Sony shouldn't bother losing several tens of millions on using more expensive hardware just to overcome the competition in performance. They have an immense advantage on the userbase (which will be very hard to move because of Plus subscriptions with backwards compatibility) and 1st party portfolios, so they could afford to have a slightly lower performing console.
Although on the other hand, since Sony can predict to sell a lot more PS5s than Microsoft can sell Xboxes, their higher revenue from software should allow them to lose more money on the hardware..
Credible journalists have sources telling them that they do. Ultimately though, where there's conflicting information, people are choosing who/what they want to believe.
conflicting information, dated information, not enough sources, not the right sources.
These are the types of environments that can burn your sources if you release information without numerous _unique_ independent sources declaring the same thing.
The issue is that Resetera isn't journalism, it's a forum, an echo chamber; "leakers" beat around the bush and lets everyone run wild with imagination. You don't know how information is being passed in the background; you don't know who is in the know, who is not. You don't know if the data points are unique or if they are even talking about the same thing. They have at best a vetting system. Which means anyone who vetted information is now in the know, but they are just a 3rd party source with now 5-6 more moderators in the know. The moderators on Resetera always 'know' things, but we don't know if they know things independently of each other.
So when someone says, but Matt said this, and Klee said that. Well how do you know Matt and Klee aren't using the same source? Does Matt or Klee or Reiner or whomever getting their information from 1st Party studios? If not; then I don't think that their information is particularly rock solid. Which is why anything subject to change.
Even with all the rumors it just seems less likely that Sony will have the most powerful console.
Why?
They have much less need to. They have a massive advantage due to their brand strength and complete dominance in most parts of the world. They also have far less cash to burn taking a loss/breaking even on high end hardware. Historically Sony has never chased high end specs.
Sony and Microsoft will move tens of millions if not around a hundred million consoles. The notion that either would do so at a loss isn't likely.They have much less need to. They have a massive advantage due to their brand strength and complete dominance in most parts of the world. They also have far less cash to burn taking a loss/breaking even on high end hardware. Historically Sony has never chased high end specs.