Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation

Arun,

You had some comments earlier about the GPS choice in the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S wrt respective accuracy.

Can you elaborate on that? According to the (excellent) Anandtech review, the 4S has a better GPS. Is this a surprise to you?

I know next to nothing about the subtleties of different GPS technologies and implementation, so your insight would be appreciated.
 
First, I don't know why you guys focused on the NFC part of the article I linked, when I was obviously referring to the other part :p I do expect Apple to come up with something like Google Wallet (using iTunes) to bypass carriers there but that's not what I was focusing on and it's orthogonal to how you handle the SIM (it simply requires an additional on-board secure element chip).
Arun,

You had some comments earlier about the GPS choice in the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S wrt respective accuracy.

Can you elaborate on that? According to the (excellent) Anandtech review, the 4S has a better GPS. Is this a surprise to you?

I know next to nothing about the subtleties of different GPS technologies and implementation, so your insight would be appreciated.
With all due respect to Anand, the rest of his review might be excellent, but his GPS tests are really stupid. He's mostly driving in a straight line in an area without high-rise buildings. I'm not sure what he's expecting to happen - even a 5 year old mid-range GPS chip could handle that situation fairly well.

What Anand is actually testing is 'consistency' and that's based on both the quality of the RF and the associated software. While a better RF would indeed be valuable, it's very typical for the GPS chip itself to 'smooth' the signal (i.e. the OS/processor never see the raw data), so it's impossible to tell how good the RF is based on so little information. You might as well judge a 12MP camera with a 3MP sensor based on the quality of its interpolation algorithm.

Now in practice I do expect the RF to be better in many cases because of the GLONASS support which I frankly forgot about but maybe Broadcom is still superior in other ways, hard to say. Certainly based on user reports the iPhone 4 CDMA was not as good as the iPhone 4 GSM despite what Anand claimed, but I suspect based on Qualcomm PR release timing that it did NOT support GLONASS (at least not with iOS 4, maybe it could be added via software). There's also various sources of interference that will affect RF quality but the iPhone 4 & 4S designs are so similar I doubt it matters here.

The main problem is things like 'urban canyons' where you need a lot more than good RF and signal smoothing to get a sensible result. Being able to access some extra Russian satellites can't hurt but it won't fix the fundamental problems. You need some pretty clever (and not free) algorithms to make it work AFAIK and my guess is Qualcomm is still lacking on that front. Basically my point is the iPhone 4S might be extremely confused in the middle of a large urban center (with an extreme case being something like New York City). I'd certainly be very curious about a test in such an environment.

I'm not saying the GPS is bad though - FWIW, my mother is buying one and going to use it as a PND replacement with the TomTom app at my suggestion. It's probably 'good enough' for most people. Just don't take Anand's test as the end-all be-all of GPS performance.

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Talking of GPS - one of the best smartphones for GPS today is probably the Samsung Galaxy SII since it uses the SiRFStarIV. Coincidentally, CSR also announced the SiRFStarV today - should give you a pretty good idea of the future of location technology in general: http://www.csr.com/news/pr/release/682/en

Summary: supports GPS/Galileo/GLONASS/Compass satellites simultaneously, automatic anonymous tracking of detected WiFi hotspot locations on a CSR-owned server, 3G/4G assistance, Accelerometer/Gyroscope/Compass MEMS support for indoor positioning, combining all of the above. Let's see if they actually deliver but needless to say it's about a lot more than just raw RF accuracy nowadays - that's basically a solved problem to be honest.

Oh and on an unrelated technical note: the SiRFPrimaII uses a standalone RF chip (unlike SiRFStarV) but that chip is made on... 40nm! So much for CMOS RF not scaling fast enough to be cost effective ;)
 
Thanks, Arun. Very interesting.

To be honest: from a location tracking point of view, I'm more excited about the barometric sensor in the Galaxy Nexus. Not because I'll ever buy one, but because I hope that, one day, it may push to make Apple do the same. ;)
 
Thanks, Arun. Very interesting.

To be honest: from a location tracking point of view, I'm more excited about the barometric sensor in the Galaxy Nexus. Not because I'll ever buy one, but because I hope that, one day, it may push to make Apple do the same. ;)
A quick Google tells me that the Motorola Xoom was the first to have a barometer. Now curiously it uses the same old 90nm BCM4750 as the iPhone 4 - and I see very little indication that this chip can use MEMS sensors for location assistance.

So apparently Android itself has a 'Use sensor aiding' setting which will use the various MEMS sensors. This is done entirely by the OS rather than the GPS firmware and they mention faster GPS fixes and pedestrian indoor navigation as potential use cases. Android also already does crowdsourcing of WiFi AP positions (although that should really only help you get a fix rather than help tracking once you have one). One difficulty with using MEMS sensors by the way is making sure you don't trust them at all times (e.g. magnetic interference)

The difference between what Android does and what something like SiRFusion promises is that the latter is done in the GPS firmware and can therefore be fully integrated in the location tracking/navigation mechanism. Google's solution can help for the initial fix and it can help when you lose the signal completely but it CANNOT help when the GPS signal is simply weak rather than nonexistent. Then again maybe it tries to - there are user reports of it actually making matters worse, and as far as I can tell that might be because it feeds data to the GPS chip in a naive way which hurts consistency. Hard to tell - and I have no idea what Apple is doing on that front today if anything. Or Qualcomm for that matter - CSR and Broadcom are both very active in that area (they're clearly the market leaders for GPS) but it's hard to tell what's happening at other companies.

EDIT: I could not find any indication that Apple is using MEMS for location at all, but their WiFi/cellular location crowdsourcing seems quite interesting: http://crowdflow.net/blog/2011/05/16/deeper-insights-into-apples-gps/
 
Anyone else having fun talking to Siri? :)
She does have a lot of trouble with my half-american, half-british accent as it seems :) Not to mention hungarian names in my contact list. But it is cool to have some unexpected answers every once in a while :D

On a bit more serious note, it's not cool to see how many times Siri messes up similar words and how reluctant it/she is to learn and adapt. I've been saying 'who is' many times and it still translates into everything else like half the time. Voice recognition is still not as smooth as it should be, and Siri is supposed to be using like 40 years of DARPA research...
 
Anyone else having fun talking to Siri? :)
She does have a lot of trouble with my half-american, half-british accent as it seems :) Not to mention hungarian names in my contact list. But it is cool to have some unexpected answers every once in a while :D

On a bit more serious note, it's not cool to see how many times Siri messes up similar words and how reluctant it/she is to learn and adapt. I've been saying 'who is' many times and it still translates into everything else like half the time. Voice recognition is still not as smooth as it should be, and Siri is supposed to be using like 40 years of DARPA research...

Yeah, I also want to bring my pitchfork. Really?

I am not surprised that it is hard to detect the difference of dialects, simply because, it is very difficult.

Have you tried articulating your words for a "cleaner" detection?
 
It's suppose to learn your speech patterns -- intonation, grammar, etc.

And what it's doing supposedly is NLP. Could be that foreign speakers of English, besides accents, would use syntax or idioms which are translated from their native language so NLP may not be able to deal with that yet.
 
My english syntax is kinda OK though, isn't it? :)

No, it really is an issue of having to adapt to it. I mean it literally never understands 'Siri' and always interprets it as 'city' instead. I guess I have to find out what makes the R strong enough for the system.
 
I don't think you have to preface every command with Siri, do you?

I don't have it but just looking at the questions people are asking, they seem to just talk to it, not call it by name.

There's a difference between written and spoken syntax for foreign speakers of any language. A French person might say "I have hunger" in English rather than "I'm hungry" because he's literally translating words but not speaking in the English idiom. That person may be aware of this difference especially when writing it but extemporizing it might be different.
 
Yeah you don't have to, I only wanted to dictate an email about Siri :)

And I'm sure my english is perfectly free from the native speech patterns you've mentioned. I've started to learn this language when I was 6, so it sort of developed in parallel to my hungarian. In fact I'm well aware of this in the speech of others whenever it's present and I'm quite disturbed by it.

German, now that's a bit harder for me ;) I understand it fairly well though, it's the talking part that's hard. And the grammar!
 
Anyone else having fun talking to Siri? :)
She does have a lot of trouble with my half-american, half-british accent as it seems :) Not to mention hungarian names in my contact list. But it is cool to have some unexpected answers every once in a while :D

On a bit more serious note, it's not cool to see how many times Siri messes up similar words and how reluctant it/she is to learn and adapt. I've been saying 'who is' many times and it still translates into everything else like half the time. Voice recognition is still not as smooth as it should be, and Siri is supposed to be using like 40 years of DARPA research...

http://shitsirisays.com/
 
AFAIK they keep the 3.5 inch size so that it's comfortable for small handed people. Many of their customers are women and their thumbs wouldn't reach across a 4" or larger screen.
Actually even I'd have a little trouble with a larger screen than the current one, and I'm like 184cm tall, that's more than 6 feet I think.
 
AFAIK they keep the 3.5 inch size so that it's comfortable for small handed people.
They could easily increase the screen size to 4" without making the device any bigger than it is.
Laa-Yosh said:
Actually even I'd have a little trouble with a larger screen than the current one, and I'm like 184cm tall, that's more than 6 feet I think.
A lot depends on how you hold it in your hand. I have little problems playing sudoku on my 4" n950 with just the thumb of my left hand with the keyboard opened and holding it vertically in one hand. Actually it even feels more comfortable than with closed kb. I'm about as big as you are but I don't think my fingers are that long. On a regular-sized PC keyboard when I put my index finger to escape my thumb reaches F7 :)
 
I thought the iPhone was already awesome because it has a perfect-sized 3.5" screen.
But now the next one will be awesome because it'll have a perfect-sized 4" screen.

Conclusion? Perfect iPhone will be perfect.

That's assuming that they cannot integrate a 4" screen without increasing the dimensions of the iphone, or that they will keep an smaller screen version in their iphone line-up. And as a bonus, you do not even have to do original thinking to come up with these arguments... they're posted right above your own post.

That's some pretty big assumptions just to prove your hatred of Apple fans. Does that make you one of those irrational apple-lover-haters? i.e. just as bad as the types you fulminate against.
 
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