Next-Gen iPhone & iPhone Nano Speculation

[wco81]

What's the big deal about using two hands? I can use one hand to unlock the screen but for most operations, I'm using both hands.

It'd be limiting to tap with your thumb all the time.

As for the 4-inch screen, yeah they could cut the bezel space but it may be harder to do with an LCD than with an OLED because of the backlight for the LCD?

 

[Laa-Yosh]

There are plenty of situations where your other hand isn't free (hopefully not because you're driving, though) and the phone should be able to work in those cases as well.

 

[Deleted member 13524]

That's assuming that they cannot integrate a 4" screen without increasing the dimensions of the iphone
(...)

Nope, you're actually completely out of context.

I was specifically mentioning the fact that some people actually defended this weird theory that the screen should stay small so that every spot of the screen can be reached through the thumb alone:

...which I still think it's downright dumb (the theory, not the people), first because that blogger put a larger "thumb" for the iphone than the SGS2 (gee.. I wonder why..) and second because no one except childs and little people have a thumb that small.

That's some pretty big assumptions just to prove your hatred of Apple fans. Does that make you one of those irrational apple-lover-haters? i.e. just as bad as the types you fulminate against.

And here you are, rushing out for such criticism without really understanding the context of my statement, which was just some pages behind.
Does that make you one of those irrational apple-lover-that-hates-apple-haters?



BTW, of course I think a 4" screen would be a major positive aspect for a future iphone. No doubt about that, even if they do enlarge the size a little bit.

BTW2: I don't hate apple lovers. How could I? I'd have to hate some 60% of my friends in the process...
I do hate the apparent lack of obvious reasoning due to brand fanaticism guided by clever marketing (or other kinds of malignant culture cloning, for that matter).
However, it's true that regarding technology, I do see that a lot more in apple lovers than in any other group.

 

[Lazy8s]

A hand that's opened wider in order to hold a bigger phone positions its thumb further out, giving it less reach.

That said, I've had no problem controlling a 4.65" Galaxy S2 using one hand.

 

[Exophase]

and second because no one except childs and little people have a thumb that small.

I'm a 5'6" tall adult male (NOT a little person) and my thumb is only about 2.25 inches long, which I believe is the same length they used in the comparison. My hands are unusually small even for my height but my sister and mother both have smaller hands, and I doubt it's really that uncommon for adult women to have hands this size or smaller.

This also varies a lot by ethnicity. Various Asian ethnicities may have smaller finger sizes for instance. Check out this paper, set in Malaysia:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...6bT0Bw&usg=AFQjCNFUrsNLE6UZTnp-suuMZg-E2rW96Q

Average thumb size for males is only 2.5 inches, with 1.89 being at the lower end of one standard deviation. And for females it drops to 2.12 and 1.65 inches respectively. Wouldn't mind seeing study data for other groups of people, if anyone has them.

 

[zed]

I thought the iPhone was already awesome because it has a perfect-sized 3.5" screen.
But now the next one will be awesome because it'll have a perfect-sized 4" screen.

Conclusion? Perfect iPhone will be perfect.

Oh so true
I recently got a mac about a month ago, now the 'mightymouse' (mightless more like) ball crapped out soon after, OK I searched for how to open it up & clean it (harder than you think)

so I had a search for an example, I found one
http://shirster.multiply.com/journal/item/194

I LOVE the Mighty Mouse. So much that I pre-ordered 3 of them when they first came out. I'm so used to the scroll ball I can't stand any other mice.

The problem is, they don't stay "healthy" for long. The scroll ball got stuck a month later and it was really annoying.

for fucks sake mate, now something that craps out after a month is a piece of junk, you shouldnt be praising it, but instead bitching.
Wheres my 'mightymouse' now. In the bin, Im using a nice generic $10 mouse that actually works.

 

[anexanhume]

Forgive me a bit, I'm new to this forum and didn't see this info discussed yet. Some questions regarding next iteration of iphone and ipad as it pertains to the purported A6.

Given an April launch for iPad 3, what are the chances of A6 having (given Apple's volume)

1. A 28nm or 32nm node (TSMC or Samsung) at its base.
2. Cortex-A15.
3. ImgTec's "Rogue" 6 series GPUs.

My impression is that 1 has moderate possibility given April launch, A15 is also moderate possibility, both using Exynos 52xx launch as the basis. A Rogue core seems most unlikely, given the first known Rogue launch won't happen until H2 2012 with ST's NovaThor A9600.

Thoughts or link to post where discussed?

 

[AlphaWolf]

1. medium -> high
2. zero
3. no idea, possible

 

[Deleted member 13524]

I wonder if it'd be reasonable at all to launch an ipad 3 in April 2012, or anytime before Q4 2012.

ipad 2 came a bit under the pressure of Tegra 2 Android tablets, but now it's pretty much "confortable" until A15/Krait tablets come out, IMO.

They'll probably target some date that will most effectively spoil the announcement of Windows 8 tablets.

 

[Pressure]

I wonder if it'd be reasonable at all to launch an ipad 3 in April 2012, or anytime before Q4 2012.

ipad 2 came a bit under the pressure of Tegra 2 Android tablets, but now it's pretty much "confortable" until A15/Krait tablets come out, IMO.

They'll probably target some date that will most effectively spoil the announcement of Windows 8 tablets.

Yeah, I am sure that explains the market differentiation between iOS and all other tablets, with the sales figures showing iPad holds 90+% of the entire tablet market.

 

[wco81]

iPad3 is suppose to get the high-res display. That may not leave them room in the BOM for bleeding edge CPU/GPU.

 

[AlphaWolf]

iPad3 is suppose to get the high-res display. That may not leave them room in the BOM for bleeding edge CPU/GPU.

Yes, they are probably going to have to put in the retina display as Samsung will be introducing their big (12") tablet with a >HD (2560x1600 or something) display.

 

[anexanhume]

1. medium -> high
2. zero
3. no idea, possible

Why zero chance for cortex A15? A4 and A5 have been competitive with the most powerful SoCs on the market. Why not this one given the Exynos 52xx launch with cortex A15?

iPad3 is suppose to get the high-res display. That may not leave them room in the BOM for bleeding edge CPU/GPU.

At the very least they would want to go 28nm/32nm to potentially save power for a higher res display.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Why zero chance for cortex A15? A4 and A5 have been competitive with the most powerful SoCs on the market. Why not this one given the Exynos 52xx launch with cortex A15?

Production starting in Q2 to me means it won't be ready for april. If you move the date further out, I'd give it some chance.

 

[Deleted member 13524]

Yeah, I am sure that explains the market differentiation between iOS and all other tablets, with the sales figures showing iPad holds 90+% of the entire tablet market.

Yeah, I'm sure that marketshare would be exactly the same if ipad2 hadn't been launched.


BTW, those +90% of the entire tablet market are flat-out wrong. Maybe all you've seen until now was that erroneous "study" that counted the number of browser connections using ios and Honeycomb tablets (no Gingerbread tablets such as all 7" Android tablets until now).

By the end of Q3, the ipad's market share was actually around 68% and it's expected to fall to 53% by the end of 2011.

As Kindle Fire becomes available worldwide, you can expect that number to go a lot lower during 2012.




Of course, his doesn't mean Apple will sell less ipads or that it won't make as much money with the tablet.
It just means that given the very-high-margin price, their tablet hits a threshold limit of customers a lot sooner than Android (and probably Win8 when it's released), which already happened with the iphone.

 

[Pressure]

Yeah, I'm sure that marketshare would be exactly the same if ipad2 hadn't been launched.


BTW, those +90% of the entire tablet market are flat-out wrong. Maybe all you've seen until now was that erroneous "study" that counted the number of browser connections using ios and Honeycomb tablets (no Gingerbread tablets such as all 7" Android tablets until now).

By the end of Q3, the ipad's market share was actually around 68% and it's expected to fall to 53% by the end of 2011.

As Kindle Fire becomes available worldwide, you can expect that number to go a lot lower during 2012.




Of course, his doesn't mean Apple will sell less ipads or that it won't make as much money with the tablet.
It just means that given the very-high-margin price, their tablet hits a threshold limit of customers a lot sooner than Android (and probably Win8 when it's released), which already happened with the iphone.

I am talking about the iPad in general terms, so that includes both the successor and the first.
Without getting too much into detail but that was merely Q'3 it dropped. They are still selling 15+ million every quarter, which no other tablet have even sold in their lifetime. Samsung is closest with a few million. And the iPhone still holds the top positions for best selling smartphones.

Regardless, I am sure the next Apple SoC will be more than enough to match or surpass anything from the competition. Especially when it comes down to the user experience.

 

[Deleted member 13524]

Regardless, I am sure the next Apple SoC will be more than enough to match or surpass anything from the competition. Especially when it comes down to the user experience.

Apple's next SoC = unrivaled user experience?

Cool story, bro.

 

[Pressure]

Apple's next SoC = unrivaled user experience?

Cool story, bro.

Yeah, that's obviously more a question of software than hardware heh. But the hardware is sure to help.

 

[Ailuros]

iPad3 is suppose to get the high-res display. That may not leave them room in the BOM for bleeding edge CPU/GPU.

I'd say it's less of a BOM issue and more an issue of timing. One side would be that if their next SoC is on 32nm something like a dual A15+ Rogue combination might be better off under 28nm and the other side being the time between actual IP availability for both and integration.

For the GPU part who else is going to make it with Rogue GPU IP within 2012? A Series5XT MP will be still bleeding edge for the coming year and they can either increase the frequency or the core count or even both.

 

[anexanhume]

My impression was that novathor would be ready for H2 2012, but it still needs a design win to make that happen.