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IMO, it makes a lot of sense to reduce video input juggling by passing the cable box through the console. That's one less hoop to jump through if you want to play a game. Plus, it lets MS pop up notifications ("your 10GB game is finally downloaded and ready to play!" "your friend is online!"). Netflix via Xbox Live, rentals via XBL or your cable box, and DVD/BR via the XBN itself means you could possibly not have to switch video inputs at all--or at least make XBN your primary video input. Sounds easier for the consumer and clever for MS (even with multiple consoles, XBN becomes the primary).
All this DVR talk seems like too much hassle for MS to me. Sounds neat, but is there really enough profit in it to make MS want to start dealing with cable co's about fees and whose bill they appear on? I'm guessing (blindly) that dealing with Netflix is easier than dealing with the many cable co's and their regional pricing.
All this DVR talk seems like too much hassle for MS to me. Sounds neat, but is there really enough profit in it to make MS want to start dealing with cable co's about fees and whose bill they appear on? I'm guessing (blindly) that dealing with Netflix is easier than dealing with the many cable co's and their regional pricing.
I'm just waiting for the day when terrible DVR hardware catches up with cable companies. Considering the amount people pay in rental fees ($15-20/month) over a 2 year period, the hardware they provide is absolutely not worth $500 especially with how slow it is. A $99 box should not be running circles around it.
Sounds like pure bullshit.
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Yup, plus DVR is not needed in the modern streaming world and since Durango can't record TV or cable signals it's much easier to sign agreements with cable and content providers to do video on demand for Xbox.
There is no DVR functionality in any future Xbox device, period (besides gameDVR like PS4)
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Wow, Proelite's expectations for the new Xbox have taken a particularly negative turn as of late:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535416&highlight=
It'll be really interesting to see how the market receives Xbox 720, and whether a fanboy backlash will have any large effect on sales or not.
Even Richard suspects it's not going to go down well with the core gamers.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535416&highlight=
It'll be really interesting to see how the market receives Xbox 720, and whether a fanboy backlash will have any large effect on sales or not.
Even Richard suspects it's not going to go down well with the core gamers.
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So long as its still an extender I'm happy. WMC, despite almost no new advancements/developments, is still an excellent DVR, IMO. And the 360 is an excellent extender (1 of the last 2 extenders available!).
I was pretty sure the original Xbox died in 2005 when Microsoft basically hanged it out to dry after 4 years. That thread is idiotic anyway, declaring before a console unveil is incredibly nearsighted and the reason why NeoGAF can't be taken seriously sometimes.
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It's notable because, if you've been following the next gen discussion threads for the last year or so, you'd know that Proelite was a big Xbox fan (and rumourmonger) so it's interesting to see his confidence that Xbox 720 will be amazing, turn to bitter disappointment.
Reminds me of some of the Nintendo fans on here who ended up getting the Wii U and became big detractors of it (like Grall?).
I'm just interested to see what's going to happen with sales, it'll be a good test of the theory that the core don't dictate the success of a platform.
Reminds me of some of the Nintendo fans on here who ended up getting the Wii U and became big detractors of it (like Grall?).
I'm just interested to see what's going to happen with sales, it'll be a good test of the theory that the core don't dictate the success of a platform.
Oh god, I wish I had never bought a Wii U. It was my first system launch as an adult and I got suckered into the promise that was Nintendo games in HD. In reality, I just bought and beat NSMBU, complained about the lack of games, sold it and swore off Nintendo consoles for life. Never again.
It's also made really want to avoid buying either the PS4 or 720 on launch day because I know I will inevitably get the same experience. There needs to be a strong non-game use case to get me to buy a new console on day one instead of waiting a year (heck, even a month or two for inevitable craigslist deals).
Yes, but I shifted stance only after actually BUYING the console; this guy's posting gravestone image macros before his console has even been unveiled. Big difference there, which illustrates that my opinion is an informed one, while that "proelite" feller is just a butthurt fanboy, whom could even turn out to be wrong/misinformed once the unveil is made.
In any case, since he's a fanboy, chances are he'll end up loving durango regardless. He can't help himself; it's in his blood.
I think tha theory's been proven enough times to not really be a theory anymore... One prime example, world of warcraft, has retained millions of subbers through the better part of a decade despite being declared dead by "hardcore" players over and over and over again, due to certain changes or additions made by blizzard.
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) experts as we "serious gamers" see ourselves, we don't really have all that big an impact in the larger scheme of things as we want to think. We're a vocal minority, with limited, although not nonexistant impact.(((interference)))
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Yes, but see Proelite works for MS and is something of an insider, so he's not just merely him being a butthurt fanboy. Where's Rangers, he appreciate this about face.
With WoW, there's still a lot of core gamers who play it, it's not exactly a casual title in the sense Angry Birds, or Dance Central or Wii Sports are. Sure the WoW hardcore who were there day 1 might leave as they think Blizzard screwed up the game balance etc over time, but it's not like they're being replaced by Farmville players.
Now, with the 720, if most of the faithful abandon it and don't buy upon release (or take a wait and see approach) will the resulting word of mouth (or lack of) affect sales?
With WoW, there's still a lot of core gamers who play it, it's not exactly a casual title in the sense Angry Birds, or Dance Central or Wii Sports are. Sure the WoW hardcore who were there day 1 might leave as they think Blizzard screwed up the game balance etc over time, but it's not like they're being replaced by Farmville players.
Now, with the 720, if most of the faithful abandon it and don't buy upon release (or take a wait and see approach) will the resulting word of mouth (or lack of) affect sales?
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Proelite has never really been an insider, and I don't think he ever claimed to be one. MS is a pretty big organisation I would imagine.
Still, as you say it is certainly interesting how suddenly he changed his stance.
"Something" of an insider doesn't mean he actually IS an insider though. If he WAS an insider, truly, do you really think he'd be so unprofessional as to post graveyard image macros on forums and publically poo-poo the product he himself was actually working on? I don't think so. And even if he had real insight and lacked all sense of discretion, ethics and morals, MS would spare no expense to shut him up/down. The fact he's still free to talk and post his images of doom speaks to that he doesn't really know anything I would say.
I'm pretty sure durango will be very exciting to the vast majority of gamers. It's nearly unthinkable to believe MS could possibly screw up their flagship to the extent Nintendo did with the wuu.
I don't see a reason why they would abandon it, and there's no credible information out there to suggest they really would. It would be stupid and irrational for them to intentionally alienate a large swathe of their own core customers, which they've spent years building up with their own Halo games and others. I don't think there's any risk of that, especially when MS knows that Sony would only be too happy to scoop said customers up if MS no longer wants them. If you trust nothing else in this world, trust in greed. Greed always wins.
Wasn't Proelite's thread mostly in response to the whole always online twitter catastrophe? Not the underpowered stuff everybody seems to think is most important (and since for years I've always fought hordes who say things like "gfx dont matter" I still find it so funny how people can say one thing and then prove another matters, but I wont start that fight again)
Anyways, I wouldn't count MS out for second. Even if it's the rumored stock 1.2 TF box with only 5GB RAM available.
I think people are underestimating the lure of "everything else" the box could do. If it has Kinect built in, and I cant even really think of all the other non-gaming stuff that's going to be cool MS can do, and then lets say a $100 lower price, I dont know that Joe Schmoe is really going to care that the games might only look 80% as good as the competition. They will still look really good compared to last gen, unlike the Wii U.
I like to harp on the importance of gfx more than anybody, but there's also historical evidence that there is a console threshold of "good enough". I think the prime example was the PS2. It wasn't a match for the Xbox, but it was in the same league, and won on other factors. I'm very sure Wii U doesn't make the cut of "good enough", but Durango certainly might.
I'm actually surprisingly excited for Durango. And as I said, I'm a gfx whore. Now, will I be when we've seen a whole lot more, like say after E3, after launch, a year after the systems release? We will see...
I dont really mind always online, if something cool can be done with it. No used games I dont care much either, my buying habits are not used game buying habits, I buy 3-4 triple A titles a year on release date.
I also caution against taking the internet altogether to mean too much. Never forget that's the internet that loves Vita and Move, and hates Kinect. Kinect may not be gangbusters anymore but it sure outsold Move, and Vita sold very badly.
Even in a vacuum of actual information, I still don't consider the opinions of random internet posters as relevant. No matter their level of enthusiasm. As a matter of fact, I tend to weigh the value of their opinions in inverse proportion to their passion for the subject.
He has been trolling since months ago.
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