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I can agree with that possible reality. I think that's only likely if MS doesn't attempt to provide DVR functionality with its standard consoles.
It's hard to know really how well they did. I can't find any numbers, and anecdotal evidence like "I know a bunch of people who have them" is meaningless.
The only recent proxy I have for this kind of position is 70% of people picking the 32GB Wii U SKU, then again, perhaps that's the entire point. Make the baseline SKU so undesirable that practically everyone gets the high end one. =/
Oh well, unlike this generation where I owned both a 360 and PS3, I think I'll just get a PS4. I have little interest in any of Microsoft's first party games and 3rd party games will be on both consoles anyway.
You can look at the average SKU price that Gamasutra usually includes in their NPD data analysis. It's a good indicator at how many SKUs are sold versus each other.
BTW, great chatting with you about the Durango. Take it you no longer have any interest in talking about it now that you're buying the PS4?
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BTW, great chatting with you about the Durango. Take it you no longer have any interest in talking about it now that you're buying the PS4?
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Yeah, I would expect the normal retail models would ship without tuners and rely on HDMI passthrough to cover people who have existing sat or cable service. In those cases the Xbox doesn't need to act as a DVR, just be able to change channel and schedule recordings via HDMI-CEC or IP control of the cable box. Most services these days have apps and websites that allow that anyway, so there's an infrastructure for MS to tap into.
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It won't act as a DVR (besides game DVR like PS4), not having DVR also makes it much easier to work with media and cable partners to provide streaming content.
Agreed, but is there any possibility they might go with a non-persistent DVR capability? Say it's only recording whatever is coming in the HDMI Input for the last 15mins which would allow you to pause via remote or Kinect? You wouldn't have the ability to record longer or be able to store it permanently on the hard drive for later retrieving. It would only serve as a way to pause your live content no matter what it is. If not that, then the only other non-game DVR functionality I could see is recording your streaming video channels for later viewing and/or offline use. But it seems from info that would strain their relationship with content providers too.
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The video coming through HDMI is basically uncompressed. Saving it would require compressing it. Thats assuming you can get past any issues with HDCP. I'm assuming MS doesn't care to tackle those problems. If you want to pause live TV, talk to your cable provider.
It's brilliant for the consumers that don't care for BC as it moves the entire cost of providing BC to those that actually care for it.
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No its not. Its brilliant for microsoft the consumer yet again has to buy another 360. Never before has a console required so many purchases per user :thumbup:
Anyway its rumoured it wont be released until may next year and by that time no one will care about bc becaude there will be loads of great games by then anyway. You need bc right at the start for it to make sense not several months after.
Anyway its rumoured it wont be released until may next year and by that time no one will care about bc becaude there will be loads of great games by then anyway. You need bc right at the start for it to make sense not several months after.
Yup.
It's an out. "We have BC, just pay $99 for it with this module-thingie". Move the expense onto the consumer rather than eat it, or reduce specs to accommodate it.
Real BC would have been ridiculously expensive, I'm quite sure DJ12 wouldn't have wanted it in PS4.
And you dont need to buy another 360. Presumably most people who already have a 360 wouldn't buy this. But some will I guess.
Like I said, I see it as the way Vgleaks framed it, an "out", against some sort of feared backlash.
Although Sony removed BC from the PS3 and there was little or none.
I don't think that would be the case.
First, the initial concept leak showed the next Xbox doing exactly that and even if that concept could be viewed as outdated the FCC has a mandated deadline where all STBs will have to provide for whole home distribution over IP using some form of industry standard.
That means its a waste of "your" time. A 360 peripheral for durango has implications outside of just BC. Acting as a media extender for Durango is one. And it doesnt have to be limited to music and movies. It may allow you to stream durango games into other rooms especially if the 361 share the same decoder logic found on durango's i/o bus.
People might not have not kept their old gen consoles in the past, but a reality where their 360 library is maintained online and readily available may encourage people to keep a 360 around especially if its uses extend beyond basic BC.
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Forza at launch!
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/11/4212054/next-xbox-launch-titles-ryse-forza
Of course it's just rumours in line with Always on DRM, BC addon and Microsoft TV.. but if it's true it would be awesome.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/11/4212054/next-xbox-launch-titles-ryse-forza
Of course it's just rumours in line with Always on DRM, BC addon and Microsoft TV.. but if it's true it would be awesome.
Interesting. Does any device out there record content from a HDMI Input, how about Google TV?
I'm generally happy to see that Microsoft cares enough about Backward Compatibility to offer some kind mechanism so I can still access my previous purchases. Would it have been better to include it in the same box? Generally yes, but that comes with sacrifices too. Either the box is too expensive, too big, too noisy or they could have spent those resources on making the other parts of the system better. There's no perfect system. This method has a few positives. It's stand alone & can be used without a Durango. So it has potential resale value when you decide you're tired of last gen gaming. But I assume it's mainly going to be purchased by Durango owners or future owners. We also don't know if the disc-less model is going to replace the existing slim model. One would think so, but who knows.
Personally I like the idea, but pricing is going to be key. Plus, it's integration with Durango will also be something that will determine if I buy it. The jury is still out, but yes, it's a very intriguing way of solving the BC issue.
Tommy McClain
Umm. Where did you read it won't come out until next year? The rumor is that Xbox TV/Yuma is delayed until early next year. The Xbox Mini is still coming out this year with Durango.
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Agreed, this is making me rethink about keeping mine for sure. Generally I would have sold mine to help pay for the new one. Not so sure now. Now I might just re-purpose it.
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Pausing live TV is not a big deal, the Slingbox has already been able to do this and this is using a browser based application. Yes it would need to be compressed to buffer, but that's what all the custom hardware is for. Actually, Sling has solved the place shifting use case for tablets and phones as well, its not a complex issue.
http://www.slingbox.com/go/slingplayer#.UWbPYr9_2jo
That said, I'm sure you would also be able to leverage your existing cable DVR's placeshifting as well using remote control.
Personally, I don't believe Microsoft has any desire to sell DVRs. Cable companies are strategically moving away from them and moving towards "soft" DVR service where all the programs are stored on their cloud. I do believe that the Durango would be able to remotely control your existing DVR, show you what you have recorded on it, and initiate playback (for STBs that support IP communication).
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