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I really like the TV pass-through and Kinect control, as long as it works well. "Xbox on" and so forth.

They just need to get back on message. Let the games speak for themselves and focus more on the box's unique features. Kinect will no doubt feature heavily in their XBone advertising.
 
The new Kinect was a huge selling point for me. Moreover it makes it easier for me to "sell" the idea to my wife as she is big time into TV and likes the occasional music or quiz type game.

The core gamers are living in a bubble.

l (and many others) will gladly pay $100 more than I did for X360 at launch (8 years ago!) for a console with 50 x the hard drive space, new Kinect, better controller, 10 x the graphics performance and memory for gaming. The TV functions are a bonus.

It's great value.
 
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There's a rather large difference between entering a market with entrenched players (Android and iOS devices) and entering a market where you are one of the two market leaders (home consoles).

The Surface launch was synonymous with the launch of Xbox versus PS2. Going against the entrenched market leader. And it's quite possible it could take them just as long or longer (5+ years) to get significant traction in that market.

It'd be closer to say that the Xbox 4 might have initial sales performance similar to the PS3. If that turns out to be the case, then we'd likely see a price cut in fall of 2014. Personally, I expect it to do relatively better than PS3 did in relation to X360. This being due to PS4 not having nearly a 1 year lead over the competition as the X360 had. Combine that with multiplatform games not looking or performing significantly worse in the first year or two as PS3 did. Although there's a chance that later in the generation PS4 multiplats might perform or look better (a reversal of the PS3/X360 trend).

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But it is the price with Surface that has cost them nearly $2 billion and made no impact on the tablet market. They have a device that is similar, if not better specification wise, to the competition. Promising Windows compatibility and more. But the price has killed it. Even with a $1 billion marketing budget.

It's the equivalent product in a different market. And since multi-platform games don't look or perform significantly better what's to make a purchaser spend the extra money on XBone when they can get the PS4 and two games for the same price?
 
I would fully expect that combination of Halo loving, Kinect loving, TV loving, gamerscore drooling not quite core enough to about specs gamer to spend the extra $100. It should be a bloodbath for MS this holiday season.
 
im relly concerned about the Kinect. If its not damn near perfect in voice/word recognition much more than visual recognition then it'll be MS' waterloo... not to be dramatic but after a very rough Windows 8 launch, Windows Phone 8 launch and Xbox One reveal... the launch of Xbox one has to be damn near perfect.

It has to become so natural to use that when you cant use it, you miss it. If that makes sense. If MS cannot do that with Kinect it will die quickly regardless of the games...
 
i'm a bit higher on voice recognition (thus, kinect in general) after using google voice search on my sgs3 a couple times the other day. it worked really well.

it's ideal for when i feel a sudden need to google something while driving. even in my very noisy truck the accuracy is amazingly good.

i had some sort of idea that voice recognition was basically a gimmick, siri seemed to have been a fad from what i knew basically, but my recent experience changed my mind a bit for now.

i still have this nagging idea sometimes that if voice recognition is 90% of what's cool about kinect, there's something wrong there, because you could do that with much cheaper hardware.
 
You see it that way because all you care about is games and graphics, but that's not true for the marketplace at large that puts value on Kinect, TV features, Xbox Live continuity, etc....

You look at X1 and say: "Why would I pay 25% more for something 33% less powerful".

I look at PS4 and say: "Why would I cheap out to save a $100 and miss out on Kinect, TV features, start over on a new games network, and not be able to play the latest Halo when the games are basically going to look the same on both systems?"

We'll find out soon enough who is closer to the average gamer out there, but the X1 value proposition is pretty strong IMO.

PS: Sony's going to be supply limited this holiday. The reason they chose $399 is because they felt that they had to soon after launch anyway. They just don't have the number of features MS has.

I do care about the games I play. That's because I'm a gamer buying a console to play games on, I'm not in the market for a overpriced set top box nor am I swayed by gimmicks unless they add true value to the games I play. I also live in Europe which means that 50% of what MS got a excited about won't be working anywhere around launch anyway.

The biggest hold that MS have over core gamers is the amount of time, effort, and cash that gamers have already invested in Live. And the length of this generation has resulted in some high investment.

I don't really see the point of Kinnect other than the gimmick value, it's just another Holodeck experiment waiting to fail. I see more convergence with mobile devices than I do with another input device on a monolithic entertainment device.

I'll miss playing Halo and eventually once the XB is at a realistic price I'll buy into for that. But it's all about the games for me. The only TV I ever watch is streamed catchup or sometimes PlayTV. There is nothing I would be interested in adding to that experience, especially if the device I using for that is going to be using demographic data gathered by itself to poison that media with additional tailor made adverts!

So, yeah I am a gamer. I buy a console for the games. Period.
 
i'm a bit higher on voice recognition (thus, kinect in general) after using google voice search on my sgs3 a couple times the other day. it worked really well.

it's ideal for when i feel a sudden need to google something while driving. even in my very noisy truck the accuracy is amazingly good.

i had some sort of idea that voice recognition was basically a gimmick, siri seemed to have been a fad from what i knew basically, but my recent experience changed my mind a bit for now.

i still have this nagging idea sometimes that if voice recognition is 90% of what's cool about kinect, there's something wrong there, because you could do that with much cheaper hardware.

I would expect the voice aspect of Kinect to work pretty well, I use it frequently to compose text messages with my Nexus 4 and it usually does a good job. It even will use capital letters where appropriate at times which is really impressive.
 
I have owned/used a Kinect at times on the current gen (in fact I have one unopened in the closet, heh).

Dont know if I had a faulty unit or what but it seemed really bad at picking up my voice. Felt like I had to yell at it if it worked at all.

I would expect the voice aspect of Kinect to work pretty well, I use it frequently to compose text messages with my Nexus 4 and it usually does a good job. It even will use capital letters where appropriate at times which is really impressive.

i witnessed my friend doing the whole process of texting somebody with siri. like "Siri, text so and so". Then speaking out the whole message. Dunno if Android has a similar thing. Kids these days :p
 
i'm a bit higher on voice recognition (thus, kinect in general) after using google voice search on my sgs3 a couple times the other day. it worked really well.

it's ideal for when i feel a sudden need to google something while driving. even in my very noisy truck the accuracy is amazingly good.

i had some sort of idea that voice recognition was basically a gimmick, siri seemed to have been a fad from what i knew basically, but my recent experience changed my mind a bit for now.

i still have this nagging idea sometimes that if voice recognition is 90% of what's cool about kinect, there's something wrong there, because you could do that with much cheaper hardware.

MS does have good experience in this area, Windows ages ago, Sync in cars, Kinect V1 (which my wife won't go without to be honest for voice), and TellMe on WP7 (before Siri even if I remember right, just never ever advertised - and it works really well).

I look at Kinect has a bonus, for me it is for voice commands, but I get this really cool motion controller for the kids and they love it. So I guess that is my justification, the kids! lol
 
For me, the new Kinect is probably what will get me to buy an Xbone. The fact that it's standard equipment hopefully will mean more devs spend the effort to use it in unique ways, which can trigger a paradigm shift in game interaction. If it works out, it will benefit all gamers.

If MS decides to make it an optional peripheral, then I doubt I'll get the bone. I'll just stick to PC gaming.
 
i'm a bit higher on voice recognition (thus, kinect in general) after using google voice search on my sgs3 a couple times the other day. it worked really well.

it's ideal for when i feel a sudden need to google something while driving. even in my very noisy truck the accuracy is amazingly good.

i had some sort of idea that voice recognition was basically a gimmick, siri seemed to have been a fad from what i knew basically, but my recent experience changed my mind a bit for now.

i still have this nagging idea sometimes that if voice recognition is 90% of what's cool about kinect, there's something wrong there, because you could do that with much cheaper hardware.
There's also user recognition in any lighting. That could make the system more family friendly than 360, just by loading profiles and preferences on sight or handing over the controler.
 
I would fully expect that combination of Halo loving, Kinect loving, TV loving, gamerscore drooling not quite core enough to about specs gamer to spend the extra $100. It should be a bloodbath for MS this holiday season.
If you cared that much about spec then you'd be a PC owner, which are already several times more powerful than all of these. For that reason, for me, any perceived spec difference between the platforms is so minor relative to the processing capabilities I already have in my PC that facet isn't even something to consider, hence its the other factors that fit into my lifestyle are far more important.
 
If you cared that much about spec then you'd be a PC owner, which are already several times more powerful than all of these. For that reason, for me, any perceived spec difference between the platforms is so minor relative to the processing capabilities I already have in my PC that facet isn't even something to consider, hence its the other factors that fit into my lifestyle are far more important.

Why did you quote me for that tirade? I own a PC with a GTX670, I'm good thanks.
 
I don't have an iPad.

One could argue "everyone" has a 360, PS3 and soon Ps4.

150m ps2s were sold. Only 70m ps3s have been sold.

Why would everyone have a ps4 ?


It lacks launch games , it lacks next gen features . Its like buying a blackberry when you could buy an iphone or android device.
 
I guess I'm not quite core enough. I'll be Kinect NUI loving if it delivers.

I'm seriously wondering why some people buy consoles. I thought the point is playing games and not playing around with some user interface. I would even guess my time spent in the dashboard doesn't even reach 1/1000 compared to my time spend on games.
 
I'm seriously wondering why some people buy consoles. I thought the point is playing games and not playing around with some user interface. I would even guess my time spent in the dashboard doesn't even reach 1/1000 compared to my time spend on games.

You sound like you miss your NES. The world moved on from the 80s.
 
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