News & Rumors: Xbox One (codename Durango)

[warb]

Well ... yeah.

Same as the "time limited access" shared library idea. The problem is that MS (or ... someone) tried to present this as a better alternative to being able to share all your games with whoever you wanted at any point. And it's not. It's okay as an addition to that, but ... god damn ... how did MS ever think they could sell this as a replacement to the versatile, workable and much loved system of game sharing that is popular in the current market?

It's not like Adam Orth didn't allow MS to see how badly things were shaping up with lots of time to avoid this mess.

After the MS backpedal I'm now prepared to consider the Bone again. It's all about Kinect 2 for me. Deliver something special and immersive and additive to what's good about current gaming and I'll have to get one at some point down the line (just like with the Wii U).

It was far, far better than the current system for sharing and potentially trading DD games. The current system is you can do pretty much nothing with your DD games once you've finished with them. But you have to go DD if you don't want to be relying on discs.

I for one would gotten more use out of my downloaded games playing co-op and sharing with relatives in another city. I'll still have to avoid discs now that the disc has to be in the console to play. That's another good feature lost.

 

[Cyan]

Xbox One games lead all platforms E3 nominations:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/e3-xbox-one-and-xbox-360-games-win-big-at-e3

 

[Squilliam]

MS presented their policy extremely badly (didn't even explain game sharing at the XB reveal event!). Gamers were turned off from the system as a result. A couple of weeks later MS decided to release clarification, by which time the internet had a life of its own regards the information and policies.

It wasn't really going to be a win (for that crowd) anyway they spun it, huh? You're right of course. I remember however that there was a similar hate for Apple, Nintendo etc back in the day where they won over the quiet majority even if the noise from the loud minority said otherwise. I hope they will come out with a similar policy just for their downloadable games, but keep the standard model for disc based games. I hope that by doing so they will create a situation where market forces overwhelmingly support the DD model. In the end the backlash is just a sand-castle against the rising tide of change because games are increasingly becoming online dependant regardless of how certain people feel about it.

Of course gaming is not the main reason for the XB1 since it is supposed to be the new cornerstone of the living room. I don't doubt however that MS has lots of analytics on the matter.

The only reason why the multi-media features are there is to cross subsidise expensive hardware. If the console wasn't a media player it would not be nearly as powerful because the market would be smaller, and they could not justify asking for as much money for the system. Things like Kinect/HDDs are important for both types of media (games/movies), so being able to do one can pay for the other.

So you are comparing the backlash against Microsoft ham handed maneuverings in the gaming console world to the "backlash" against SUVs. I guess I am not seeing much of an intersection there. I'm not to sure if you are comparing complaints lodged against MS to complaints lodged against SUV owners or ....

No it's the backlash of SUV owners against those who say that their vehicles are dangerous, wasteful, expensive, compensating for small... etc. It is the same kind of argument because you have people who buy things because they _could_ or _might_ need certain capabilities when they never do. Microsoft took away capabilities that they knew people for the most part didn't need and they were crucified for it. People work with heuristics not logic.

 

[Strange]

Xbox One games lead all platforms E3 nominations:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/e3-xbox-one-and-xbox-360-games-win-big-at-e3

I'd wait until July second for the winners to be announced.

http://www.gamecriticsawards.com/nominees.html

Also...

Please note the following games were not made playable to Game Critics judges and therefore disqualified from award consideration: The Division; Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain; The Witcher III; Super Smash Bros. Wii-U. In addition, the judges did not find a sufficient number of nominees to award "Best Fighting Game" and "Best Motion Simulation Game" at E3 2013.

Too bad The Division and MGS5 were disqualified :/

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Did their proposed sharing plan really let both you and a friend play the same game simultaneously?

I thought bkilian said the limitation was only one person at a time could be playing the game - including the owner?

The policy document was clear that the game owner (guy who spent the money!) can always play the games he bought. One other family member could be playing concurrently.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

The policy document was clear that the game owner (guy who spent the money!) can always play the games he bought. One other family member could be playing concurrently.

Was such an awesome feature. I want it back.

 

[Nesh]

Was such an awesome feature. I want it back.

Its still there for digital purchases right?

 

[Rangers]

Its still there for digital purchases right?

I dont think so, but I think Greenberg has been implying they're working on that.

 

[function]

It wasn't really going to be a win (for that crowd) anyway they spun it, huh? You're right of course. I remember however that there was a similar hate for Apple, Nintendo etc back in the day where they won over the quiet majority even if the noise from the loud minority said otherwise. I hope they will come out with a similar policy just for their downloadable games, but keep the standard model for disc based games. I hope that by doing so they will create a situation where market forces overwhelmingly support the DD model. In the end the backlash is just a sand-castle against the rising tide of change because games are increasingly becoming online dependant regardless of how certain people feel about it.

Online dependency is a separate issue to MS's particular implementation of a DRM scheme. And online dependency in itself is not a singular issue with uniform opinions either.

No it's the backlash of SUV owners against those who say that their vehicles are dangerous, wasteful, expensive, compensating for small... etc. It is the same kind of argument because you have people who buy things because they _could_ or _might_ need certain capabilities when they never do. Microsoft took away capabilities that they knew people for the most part didn't need and they were crucified for it. People work with heuristics not logic.

Likening everyone who opposed MS's specific implementation of a DRM scheme to SUV owners -> bash SUV owners. This is turning into the locked DRM thread, which degenerated into generalised bashing of people which highly specific criticisms of MS's DRM policy.

The ability to freely give a game someone, or sell a game to someone of your choice, or lend two or more games simultaneously, or be one of two or more people borrowing games from a particular person simultaneously, are not capabilities that people don't make use of - unless gamers have changed very much since I was at school or uni. I'm pretty sure that game rental is also a real issue, given the number of services that continue to offer game rentals. If you have information that none of these things are used any more then I'd like to see it. Otherwise this is just dismissing people's concerns with a hand wave and then bashing them.

No amount of effort could get people to keep the conversation about implementation specific DRM features in the locked DRM thread - it was a constantly looping mess of what people thought about other people for thinking things that they often didn't think at all. Best to keep that out of this thread.

 

[Rangers]

The ability to freely give a game someone, or sell a game to someone of your choice, or lend two or more games simultaneously, or be one of two or more people borrowing games from a particular person simultaneously, are not capabilities that people don't make use of - unless gamers have changed very much since I was at school or uni. I'm pretty sure that game rental is also a real issue, given the number of services that continue to offer game rentals. If you have information that none of these things are used any more then I'd like to see it. Otherwise this is just dismissing people's concerns with a hand wave and then bashing them.

Steam offers none of these things, it it is well beloved and almost universally praised, and the main mode of all PC gaming, voluntarily...

Also game renting is nowhere near it's heydey, especially as physical disc retailers grow ever smaller. In my town we've gone from countless disc renting shops, to almost none (all the blockbusters closed down for example) which means there's simply few outlets to rent games. There is redbox which is pretty darn nifty, and gamefly though.

If I was a real gamer lol I'd be all over redbox. It has countless return locations, you can browse all inventory and reserve from any kiosk beforehand online with a debit card, and is like 2 bucks for, if you time it right, more or less two full days rental. For blasting through FPS and the like without spending $60, pretty ideal.

 

[Squilliam]

Online dependency is a separate issue to MS's particular implementation of a DRM scheme. And online dependency in itself is not a singular issue with uniform opinions either.

It does seem worth discussing given the quantity of time people spend on the internet with consoles these days. The trend is towards essentially 100% of games having some form of online component, and the number of games with that component being significant is increasing as well. The consoles are becoming like computers -- essentially useless without a working internet connection for the majority of people.

Likening everyone who opposed MS's specific implementation of a DRM scheme to SUV owners -> bash SUV owners. This is turning into the locked DRM thread, which degenerated into generalised bashing of people which highly specific criticisms of MS's DRM policy.

I didn't, but I did say that it was like the reaction of people to the changes. On the internet you can exaggerate, lie, concoct half-truths and generally create a whole story to fit your point of view. In general I just don't trust the population of people on the internet because there simply is no accountability. I just kept reading so many stories in various places that I just couldn't believe there were so many (likely internet addicted) people with either unreliable internet connections or holiday homes with no internet: plus other variations.

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No amount of effort could get people to keep the conversation about implementation specific DRM features in the locked DRM thread - it was a constantly looping mess of what people thought about other people for thinking things that they often didn't think at all. Best to keep that out of this thread.

Yep I guess you're right. The words were 'ain't nobody gunna change their mind'.

 

[dagamer]

Steam offers none of these things, it it is well beloved and almost universally praised, and the main mode of all PC gaming, voluntarily...

Also game renting is nowhere near it's heydey, especially as physical disc retailers grow ever smaller. In my town we've gone from countless disc renting shops, to almost none (all the blockbusters closed down for example) which means there's simply few outlets to rent games. There is redbox which is pretty darn nifty, and gamefly though.

If I was a real gamer lol I'd be all over redbox. It has countless return locations, you can browse all inventory and reserve from any kiosk beforehand online with a debit card, and is like 2 bucks for, if you time it right, more or less two full days rental. For blasting through FPS and the like without spending $60, pretty ideal.

Even Redbox's game rental business will die off because I am betting people would rather not leave the house and buy a game digitally than to have to drive over to *insert game shop here* to get a disc. And what about from 10pm to 9am which includes several peak gaming hours? What if I want a game then?

 

[Rangers]

Even Redbox's game rental business will die off because I am betting people would rather not leave the house and buy a game digitally than to have to drive over to *insert game shop here* to get a disc. And what about from 10pm to 9am which includes several peak gaming hours? What if I want a game then?

The kiosks are in 24 hr Wal Marts and places like that too...believe me I am up all nights

In fact renting after 9PM is the way to effectively get two days for one IIRC. They let you keep it until 9PM two days later on the one day charge. If you rent before 9PM, it's 9PM the next day IIRC.

 

[Cyan]

As with the DRM stuff Microsoft, Phil Spencer admitted that they haven't highlighted their merits with indie developers despite the fact that they are actually very interested in them. They are conscious of their own mistakes but they aren't doing anything to change that -at least for now-, yeah....

http://www.oxm.co.uk/57141/microsof...odys-but-sony-has-given-indie-more-publicity/

 

[Shifty Geezer]

http://www.oxm.co.uk/57141/microsof...odys-but-sony-has-given-indie-more-publicity/

We probably haven't done the same job shining a flashlight on it that Sony has over the last few months, and kudos to them, but when you think about our investments - both in studios that we've acquired, like Twisted Pixel and PressPlay

Then they're not indie!

 

[BRiT]

http://www.oxm.co.uk/57141/microsof...odys-but-sony-has-given-indie-more-publicity/

Then they're not indie!

Oh, so now we're playing the selective quoting game, Shifty?

we don't call it "indie"

 

[Kb-Smoker]

Even Redbox's game rental business will die off because I am betting people would rather not leave the house and buy a game digitally than to have to drive over to *insert game shop here* to get a disc. And what about from 10pm to 9am which includes several peak gaming hours? What if I want a game then?

Unless we get game streaming like what sony is doing. You have to wait many hours to download a game.

The internet speed are holding back so much of this.

The kiosks are in 24 hr Wal Marts and places like that too...believe me I am up all nights

In fact renting after 9PM is the way to effectively get two days for one IIRC. They let you keep it until 9PM two days later on the one day charge. If you rent before 9PM, it's 9PM the next day IIRC.

Its midnight....

I do this all the time at redbox.

 

[dagamer]

Unless we get game streaming like what sony is doing. You have to wait many hours to download a game.

The internet speed are holding back so much of this.



Its midnight....

I do this all the time at redbox.

I forget some people have terrible connections. =/

I think it took me about 2 hours to download Uncharted 3 at 40GB.

 

[Rangers]

I forget some people have terrible connections. =/

I think it took me about 2 hours to download Uncharted 3 at 40GB.

I just got upgraded from 15 to 30 Mbps...for $5 less than before

I calculated at max speed I can download ~14 GB per hour. XBL's servers are great so it shouldn't be a problem there.

So I'm not too worried. I dont think most next gen games will push 50Gb either. Top PC games dont. I'm guessing more like ~15-30Gb for many. Heck many could be WAY less, I think many current gen games are more like 3-4GB.

 

[eastmen]

Unless its a FMV heavy title the gams will be under 20 gigs I'd assume . A digital game wont have a ton of different languages to download with it. you can decide on that at purchase.