ooh, I take it back.
I left in November last year, so 6 months or so.
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I left in November last year, so 6 months or so.
DuckThor Evil
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So you would most rather have the worst option of the three, would possibly take the second best option, but don't like the best option...12GB of DDR3 without something to speed things up would be a major joke. No chance of that happening thankfully.
No, I want 12GB with the esram of course...
Of this at least 3GB would be reserved per rumor, so really 9GB.
This is not the "Durango: Make a Wish" thread.
AFAIK the specs we're seeing are coming straight from the developer docs. I haven't seen them myself so can't give direct 2nd corroboration, but there's plenty of info pointing towards that such as a former MS employee telling us VGLeaks diagrams are lifted straight from the developer docs.
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Really? 12gb ram looks good on paper, but seriously it has to be fed...
And 8gb gddr5 on 128bit bus is also a terrible idea, expensive ram, with little bandwidth advantage and likely more latency.
We really need more bandwidth, I would take more system wide bandwidth and same amount of ram, over a massive slab of ram with limited system bandwidth.
We can only hope the sram is indeed 6t-sram, if it isn't and we get no additions to the accepted spec rumours, it's going to turn out to be about 40-50% weaker than the competition.
8GB of GDDR5 isn't even physically possible on a 128bit bus. PS4 only manages it with clamshell mode and the highest density chips on 256bit.
Look I'm just putting rumors together.
First Rumor is that MS had a huge chip that ran power hungry and hot.
Second rumor is that MS is still sending out chips that have cooling problems for devs.
Then there is the rurmor that the Xbox was more powerful than the ps4 (this was around for a long time)
What I'm putting together here paints this picture.
MS designed a big chip with yield problems. AMD was not sure they could fix the problems in time for launch and given their track record with the phenom and bulldozer who would blame ms for beliving the worse ?
So now MS is stuck , they have to start getting hardware to devs and they are being told the final chips might not be much better than these . So instead of having devs target the original chips they instead choose to have the devs target worse case scenario .
So now MS released docs to developers and hardware but at the same time AMD and the Fabs were working on respins and fixes for the chips . Combine that with the announcement delay and it can sound like MS was hearing good news from AMD at the fabs and perhaps many of the problems the original production spins had are gone.
So Ms wont have any last minute scrambling to catch sony or crazy overclocking. They will just get better working chips more inline with the original production.
We all know from other products that cores are disabled in cpus / clock speeds lowered. CUs/ROPS and even memory controllers are disabled in salavage parts.
So perhaps that's where the rumors are coming.
Mabye the xbox we get is the same from VG leaks ... who knows onl a few more days
I don't think they'll be able to hit a lower price point at launch.
My guess is that they are trying to hit a lower price point about 3/4 years into the console's life time. A big 300mm chip now, will be a small chip on a 14/16nm Finfet process (probably around 100mm) couple that with off the shelf RAM it will be cheap and low power. They should be able to hit the $149/$199 price points a lot sooner than they did this generation (maybe even $0.00 with a contract).
My guess is that they are trying to hit a lower price point about 3/4 years into the console's life time. A big 300mm chip now, will be a small chip on a 14/16nm Finfet process (probably around 100mm) couple that with off the shelf RAM it will be cheap and low power. They should be able to hit the $149/$199 price points a lot sooner than they did this generation (maybe even $0.00 with a contract).
COPS N RAPPERS
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I personally think that the wii idea isn't going to work again. it doesn't seem to be working too well for the wii-u. a few developers are slowly trying to close their doors on the poor thing it seems. With the amount of constraints developers had over the years with the ps3 and 360, it's no wonder why they aren't looking to favorable towards the Wii-U.
We've already seen this gen for 7 years, to see it the next 7 years would be 14 years seeing the same stuff. developers are running out of ideas for thing like controls and story (so says Call of Duty.) what's going to push them for the next years will be the hardware; so that they can make everything look interesting.
Wii-U is a traditional console with stupid (in hindsight) gimmick of the screen in the controller. They misjudged the market.
Wii was a new idea that brought in a different crowd.
Kinect will appeal to this crowd abandoned by Nintendo and it's people that Sony aren't really going for as they themselves have gone down the traditional console route.
The people that liked Wii are not suddenly going to like traditional controllers. What they might like though is a good 5, 6, or 7 years of support from every developer and publisher going, with high quality and diverse games.
Wii was a new idea that brought in a different crowd.
Kinect will appeal to this crowd abandoned by Nintendo and it's people that Sony aren't really going for as they themselves have gone down the traditional console route.
The people that liked Wii are not suddenly going to like traditional controllers. What they might like though is a good 5, 6, or 7 years of support from every developer and publisher going, with high quality and diverse games.
Yes, they do.
COPS N RAPPERS
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The Wii you could say was backed up by a lot of first party support. support that Microsoft just doesn't have enough in their pockets to pull off equally.
As of yet Kinect is still a choice whether developers wish to support it. The next xbox would be much like the Wii-U and it's bonus controller accessory if developers fail to see the purpose of the gimmick. as for sony they still wish the PS4 to have support for the wand, and also the inclusion of a touch pad and share button. so it's not entirely all too traditional with them.
what's killing the wii-U isn't the controller but it's heavy reliance of 3rd party developers and ports. new games with a lot of potential would bring in more sales. and the problem lies with the developers and their efforts they wish to place into the console.
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Not including each different branch of Microsoft Studio's, MS has 17 different first party dev studios, Nintendo has 6.
To suggest MS doesn't have the first party studios Wii had is simply not true. Now, none may house a genius like Miyamoto, but that wasn't your point.
Last I read, Kinect usage was actually required for every game in the TRCs in some capacity although how true this is will be up for debate, however being included in every box and the rumour it needs to be plugged in for xbox to function suggests it's true.
COPS N RAPPERS
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Even with what Microsoft may have, the impact of kinect wasn't as much as the Wii in particular. the developers and the fanbase were at fault for both progresses of the Wii and kinect. for both kinect and the Wii-U both are relying on the good faith that developers will immediately adopt it ; when in reality they should be pampering it them selves with what they can do for it. (same goes for the vita)
all these devices are made in hopes that a 3rd party developer makes them popular. in comparison we have already seen and heard what developers want.
guess what?
latency in gp-gpu computing
right, they are very different, sorry, but when talk someone who know the facts, the music is different
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ploughing-fields-the-boss-of-ubisoft-montreal
ok, Blizzard don't know anything, Ubisoft too, the only ones that know the facts are some guys in a forum that read on vgleaks.com, the same vgleaks.com that give wrong specs on orbis (indeed, those guys don't believe the 8 GB on orbis before Sony announcement)
came on, the only wishful thinking is some of you pretending to know facts that you don't know, claming things IMPOSSIBLE as the 8 GB on orbis
even more I though there's a rule that we can't do comparison, but some guy are invulnerable to rules, one above all wit 520+ post, repeat continuously only that "durango have inferior specs than ps4" and "Durango have a weaker GPU than PS4".
If you know it all, and it's impossible to try to discuss and speculate without receiving back answer as "ridicolous", "you're high" and other rude answers, just close the thread.
Same answers when I wrote that inside durango could be another chipset/apu, ridiculous etc
then hop, maybe there's the 360 chipset.... ok
after that I wrote, maybe there's some special sauce? again ridiculous etc
then HOP, SHAPE monster audio block, ok
after that I wrote, maybe could be possible to raise clocks? again ridiculous
but when the same thing was written in the orbis thread, all discussing about cpu@2 GHz etc ok
frankly I'm tired of rude answer and to talk about comparison in this thread, thread that should be funny speculating and discussing and instead seems populated by forum warriors of one side/team (and I can assure you, even if i use to write a lot, I'm calm)
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