And at this flippant point, I'm bowing out of the thread.TheChefO said:you're right - I'll have to make sure and ask the devs if this is achievable and running realtime or not.Somebody setup a press conference so I can get the scoop first!
"you know - some of the games showed in x06 were unbelievable, specifically RE5. Can you confirm that was realtime gameplay? - yup our game is rt buddy! Believe it!"
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_3232_en.html
New Mark Rein interview
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elementOfpower
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Mmmkay said:
I just don't see how one can come to that conclusion unless they're being intentionally obtuse. Read the dialogue again; it's clear the interviewer was moving onto a different subject entirely:
Piece the two together. The topic was originally I-8, now the G4 guy is moving onto "other demos" and then mentions Killzone.
How is that NOT a transition of subject? Especially considering the fact that the G4 guy never once after that point mentioned I-8?
Could you provide a link to this footage please? I haven't heard that part of the interview.
Sure there is. The subject had clearly transitioned to Killzone by the interviewer precluding his next line of questioning with "other demos." "Other demos" certainly doesn't include I-8 since, according to you, that was the original topic of discussion. Right?
If it doesn't, and if the interviewer is moving onto the topic of "other demos" and Tretton responds directly to the question of "other demos", then tell me how in the name of all that is logical you come to the conclusion that Tretton isn't referencing Killzone when it's the only "other demo" specifically mentioned?
There's no "circular reasoning" about this; it's just common sense. The G4 guy does videogames for a living. Don't you think that he WOULD KNOW whether or not I-8's graphics could've been realistically achieved? Especially since the 360 hype/footage had been around for months and months prior?
No, you're straw-manning me here. I never claimed "all Sony spokespeople" set out to deceive the public, but I do believe, on the whole, that Sony was very deceiving at E3 for the evidence many of us have shown here on this very thread.
scooby_dooby
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At best he deflected the question, in an extremely poor manner that gave the impression KZ was realtime. At worst he blatantly lied.Mmmkay said:
The interviewer clearly changed topic, if you want to talk about the flow of the interview it's very clear. They were moving on to toher demo's and specifically KZ and asking if they were real, anyone listening to interview would've got the exact same impression.
How about all you guys just drop it? Seriously, I'll never understand why some (most?) of you insist on arguing minutia. In the end, who freakin cares!
How this thread got off topic and spun totally out of control is a fine example of why the Console Forums are generally thought to be the bastion of trolls and idiots. Good job on reinforcing that notion!
How this thread got off topic and spun totally out of control is a fine example of why the Console Forums are generally thought to be the bastion of trolls and idiots. Good job on reinforcing that notion!
Oh dear Has this s*it really been going on for that many pages!
Mods, are you on vacation??
Has this s*it really been going on for that many pages!Mods, are you on vacation??
MechanizedDeath
Regular
It's a good thing this thread is about Mark Rein and not a year-old interview. Didn't some of you have your fill with the bickering LAST YEAR??? Vysez must be on a break or something. PEACE.
mckmas8808
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MechanizedDeath said:
And these arguements will slowdown in the future being that E3 is no more.
Agreed - this thread should be locked and through away the key - along with any other bad memories of e3 2005.
This thread vered off course by elementOfpower questioning early dev kit performance and Shifty defending Sony on the bogus e3 2005 videos. Most members here recognize and accept the situation for what it was - others fail to.
This thread vered off course by elementOfpower questioning early dev kit performance and Shifty defending Sony on the bogus e3 2005 videos. Most members here recognize and accept the situation for what it was - others fail to.
You are totally wrong. 1-8 looked worse than Killzone. Looked worse than current gen PC games. Resistance looks much better now than when it was called I-8.TheChefO said:Are you sure i-8 wasn't cgi??? I don't know ... looked like the same league or better than KZ. I see perfect reasoning for asking him if i-8 was realtime.
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Seriously I could see him wanting to ask this dev for his opinion even if he didn't know specifically whether kz was rt or not he should be able to give insight into ps3's abilities for those outside the ps3 dev circle.
Simply he didnt ask because it didnt look that good. It was clearly real time and easilly possible whereas Killzone looked breathtaking
Nesh said:
I can understand wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt - but the problem here is that he insists the videos were rendered to spec. He repeats this multiple times in the interview. That in and of itself is fine but when we have a member here who has no reason to lie about the subject claiming that the people he knows that created one of the renders was given no spec to stick to, I have to call that a lie. I can't defend or define it any clearer than that as Mr. Harrison was clearly in a position to know and clarify any questions or issues regarding this hotly contested issue at the time.
edit - but then I guess that depends on what ones definition of "is" is
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mckmas8808
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TheChefO said:
So it's Mr. Harrison vs. Laa-yosh's friend.
.Who's telling the truth.
mckmas8808 said:So it's Mr. Harrison vs. Laa-yosh's friend.
Who's telling the truth.
Bill Clinton -
cmon Mckmass, you know they were not being honest last year and have admitted as much in this thread. It's ok - I don't profess for any corporate vp to be a saint. I'm sure most have lied many times for many reasons. My issue with this one is when the facts are clearly presented we still have reputable members on this forum denying the obvious. I'll drop the issue as it obviously isn't worth continuing. like I said - we'll lock the thread and throw away the key never to be brought up or remembered again.as Chappel said: "oil?!? you cookin b??? who said anything about oil?"
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TheChefO said:I can understand wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt - but the problem here is that he insists the videos were rendered to spec. He repeats this multiple times in the interview. That in and of itself is fine but when we have a member here who has no reason to lie about the subject claiming that the people he knows that created one of the renders was given no spec to stick to, I have to call that a lie. I can't defend or define it any clearer than that as Mr. Harrison was clearly in a position to know and clarify any questions or issues regarding this hotly contested issue at the time.
edit - but then I guess that depends on what ones definition of "is" is
Well, judging from what a Guerilla dev stated some time ago I am slightly optimistic we can expect something near that video with a few downgrades in AI and physics.
But despite that I am sure the studios that made these videos made some speculations and knew the purpose of these. SO I dont think they made things good wway too out of proportion.
Motorstorm is looking great, and despite being far in some places from the target video, if thats what we get now, it wont be long until we get some near that quality results. The physics is almost completely there already
Nesh said:
Close is a subjective term and I won't attempt to argue how close or far the vids are from final product but many things which were included in the videos took no regard for spec limitations.
-see previous posts in this thread if anyone is seriously interested in knowing the truth on this matter.
