My thoughts on the Nintendo situation. (I am a Nintendo fan)
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Johnny Awesome said:
There's metroid prime 2 and viewtiful joe 2 on gamecube now...
And if you haven't checked out the two pikmin games you should.
Mario Power Tennis is a very good game even with the mario theme.
BTW, I wish nintendo was catering to the hardcore mario/zelda addicts...there's only been 1 true mario or zelda game on the gamecube so far, unless you count the ports of most of the old zelda games.
Proforma said:
Riddick is on PC and KOTOR2 will be, does that count as multiplatform? If not, why not? If this is gamecube versus xbox then you can count burnout 3, it's not on gamecube.
Gamecube has had..
Legend of Zelda Four Swords- I think all around good reviews.
Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes- Mixed reviews, but the original got all good reviews so by extension if you haven't played the original then this should be good.
Paper Mario 2- Good reviews.
Metroid Prime 2- Good reviews.
Pikmin 2- Good reviews.
Donkey Konga- Mixed reviews.
Mario Party 6- Mixed reviews.
Mario Power Tennis- good reviews.
Viewtiful Joe 2- Good reviews.
Baten Kaitos- Good reviews.
Tales of Symphonia- Good reviews.
Did I miss anything? Maybe pokemon colosseum for the pokemon fans, but I don't think that got any good reviews. Wario Ware came out on gamecube as well, but it lacked the slick presentation of the gba title...plus it was basically the gba title. Some of the multiplayer modes were neat, but they didn't last long enough and there wasn't much reason to replay them.(though the doctor mode could have been great if it pushed the players into more m-rated situations)
Pso Episode 3 I think got mixed reviews, but it's a card game and who wants that?
I think nintendo was more pushing their older titles this year though, didn't they put just about their entire lineup into the player's choice line?
Fox5, those games you list aren't very convincing if someone isn't a Nintendo fan, and when you take that into consideration then most people would pass those games up. The only games that I would personally pick up and play are Zelda and Metroid. Anything with Mario in it is overrated even if it is a Tennis game. There's Top Spin on the Xbox that is a little more serious. Pikmin 2 is a niche title that isn't for most gamers. Mario Party 6 I can only imagine is like dragging a dead horse and bringing it back to life just to drag it some more to kill it again. Viewtiful Joe 2 is definitely something that piques my interest but I'll wait for some time to pick it up.
The general consensus is that there aren't many games on the Gamecube worth it to Johnny. You don't have to knock him for his tastes. He clearly likes more mature themed games and that he will not be able to get on the Cube outside of Capcom and Konami it seems.
My stance is now this on Nintendo. When Nintendo grows up then it can make a comeback. Until then I believe their marketshare will continue to decline. They may not think they have oncoming problems, but they do unless they put together an agressive strategy that tends to all sorts of gamers.
The general consensus is that there aren't many games on the Gamecube worth it to Johnny. You don't have to knock him for his tastes. He clearly likes more mature themed games and that he will not be able to get on the Cube outside of Capcom and Konami it seems.
My stance is now this on Nintendo. When Nintendo grows up then it can make a comeback. Until then I believe their marketshare will continue to decline. They may not think they have oncoming problems, but they do unless they put together an agressive strategy that tends to all sorts of gamers.
Sonic said:
that ninty selection of yours is alright. now, how many and which games whould you pick on the xbox? i think that i can hardly be taken for a ninty fan (i got a cube only the other month, have had a gba for slightly longer) and cumulatively i've spent much more game time in front of my dreamcasts and pcs than my cube (last month has been MP-exclusive, though) yet i find the present nintendo titles list much more attractive than what the xbox has to offer. of course, that's just me. an no, i haven't played a single mario game in my life... ok, maybe except for some turtle bashing on the apple2 eons ago.
VJ(2) is definitely a mature-targeted game. it's humor and overall retro style are targeted at the kids who grew up at the arcades, but who are now in their late 20s and still have that arcade rush. for a nowadays kid VJ's unique style would mean nothing but weirly-colourfull "kiddy" pictures game without any "boobs" whatsoever.
don't want to knock anybody's taste, but judging games just by their at-first-glance mature ortientation is hardly a good criterion for the games' value to a grown-up audience. i can think of a ton of mature-targeted games i wouldn't waste more than 15min with and i'm 29.
one thing that lacks on GCN is realistic racers. what else mature-oriented is not there which is abund on the xbox?
Fighting games with hot, large-breasted women, that's for sure.darkblu said:
Johnny Awesome
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Listen, I'm not trying to push my preferences down anyone's throat. I'm just saying that the average gamer that isn't infatuated with Nintendo isn't seeing much to draw him to the Cube right now. You can include me in that list I guess.
The reason I listed Metroid is simply that I think MP and MP2 are very good games. I passed on the second one at full price, because they didn't fix the controls and I'm pretty picky about expecting problems to be fixed in sequels they've spent two years developing. I will be picking up MP2 when it drops to $30. Same thing with VJ2 - I'm not paying full price for an 8 hour game, which is why I waited on the first one.
Until Nintendo can provide good value to the average gamer in a form that they find interesting, they will continue to lose marketshare in the console race.
I'll admit that I'm unusually harsh in my criticism of the Cube sometimes, because I expected more from Nintendo than they ended up delivering. I think it's sad that I (and many other gamers) found more MS releases compelling this generation (Halo 1&2, PGR 1&2, RSC 1&2, Amped 1&2, CS, and MA) than Nintendo releases (ED, SA, Z:WW, MP 1&2). First party games set the tone for the platform and I feel they really dropped the ball with the Gamecube. Not just for me, but for the marketplace as a whole.
The reason I listed Metroid is simply that I think MP and MP2 are very good games. I passed on the second one at full price, because they didn't fix the controls and I'm pretty picky about expecting problems to be fixed in sequels they've spent two years developing. I will be picking up MP2 when it drops to $30. Same thing with VJ2 - I'm not paying full price for an 8 hour game, which is why I waited on the first one.
Until Nintendo can provide good value to the average gamer in a form that they find interesting, they will continue to lose marketshare in the console race.
I'll admit that I'm unusually harsh in my criticism of the Cube sometimes, because I expected more from Nintendo than they ended up delivering. I think it's sad that I (and many other gamers) found more MS releases compelling this generation (Halo 1&2, PGR 1&2, RSC 1&2, Amped 1&2, CS, and MA) than Nintendo releases (ED, SA, Z:WW, MP 1&2). First party games set the tone for the platform and I feel they really dropped the ball with the Gamecube. Not just for me, but for the marketplace as a whole.
StarFox: Assault, perhaps? I'm eagerly awaiting it, it's about time my Cube got a real StarFox game.Johnny Awesome said:
How will poor Nintendo ever compete with the juggernauts of Sony & MS? Can the Revolution compete? Let's look at parts of their operating profits for this gen, recent projections, quarterly summaries, net income, etc.
code:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------OPERATING PROFITS....
Nintendo Company, Ltd.
Â¥100,120,000,000 - 2003 == $832,945,091
Â¥119,151,000,000 - 2002 == $991,272,878
$1,824,217,969
...src.
Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
Â¥117,500,000,000 - 2003 == $977,537,437
Â¥90,000,000,000 - 2002 == $748,752,079
$1,726,28,9516
...src.
note: $1 == ¥120.20 (March 31, 2003)
Brief snippet from Reuters article Sept. 11th:
This netted them all of an additional 2.5% stake, for essentially $410 million USD. Last hard cash assets were listed at $6.8 billion, while operating with 0 debt. I'm sure Iwata will find the R&D resources so as not to fall behind the technology curve Johnny. He's said that he was willing to dip into the "war chest."
code:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------OPERATING PROFITS....
Nintendo Company, Ltd.
Â¥100,120,000,000 - 2003 == $832,945,091
Â¥119,151,000,000 - 2002 == $991,272,878
$1,824,217,969
...src.
Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
Â¥117,500,000,000 - 2003 == $977,537,437
Â¥90,000,000,000 - 2002 == $748,752,079
$1,726,28,9516
...src.
note: $1 == ¥120.20 (March 31, 2003)
Brief snippet from Reuters article Sept. 11th:
This netted them all of an additional 2.5% stake, for essentially $410 million USD. Last hard cash assets were listed at $6.8 billion, while operating with 0 debt. I'm sure Iwata will find the R&D resources so as not to fall behind the technology curve Johnny. He's said that he was willing to dip into the "war chest."
Obviously, the games on the cube don't offer much to the average us gamer, it's been selling about half of what xbox' has in the us since april or so.
However, not picking up Pikmin 2 if you have a cube is not excusable. That's like saying you don't like fun, that game is easily one of the best games on the cube. Seriously, buy Pikmin 2. Now.
However, not picking up Pikmin 2 if you have a cube is not excusable. That's like saying you don't like fun, that game is easily one of the best games on the cube. Seriously, buy Pikmin 2. Now.
Readykilowatt
Regular
To Johnny Awesome
Good grief. What are you trying to do? There is absolutely no reason for me to be concerned about Nintendo at this point in time. On the gaming side, I can only trust certain companies to provide me with games that meet or exceed my expectations and Nintendo is one of them. PM2, MP2:E and Pikmin 2 are all examples of games that I enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) playing this year. On the business side, they continue to be financially healthy and profitable (which will guarantee more games and systems from them in the future). BTW, you can easily find positives and negatives with respect to all the big three console makers:
(A) Nintendo has lost home console marketshare over time, but the Gamecube still continues to sell well (globally) and they remain financially strong (with massive profits).
(B) Microsoft has lost about 3 billion dollars on the Xbox (which has failed in a very important market, Japan) and they have only gained a small fraction of Sony's marketshare, but they have created a major franchise (Halo) and they have established the Xbox brand as one to be reckoned with (in the US at least).
(C) Sony "won" the console war this generation. They have the most 3rd party support, the most respect and they have sold far more home consoles than their competitors, but (strangely) they seem to have difficulty profiting from their dominance.
Now, what some people (fanboys) do is that they focus on a negative and blow it out of proportion. If I was to argue like that, I would sound like this:
(1) Nintendo should stop making home consoles. They have lost marketshare, and it is impossible for them to gain marketshare in the future lol!11!! They suck and they are kiddy, lol!1!11!1
(2) Microsoft has created the biggest financial failure of a console in history which couldn't even sell more than the N64. They should get out of this industry because they don't know what they are doing lol!1!!11
(3) Sony should stop making consoles because they can't even make money when they dominate the industry. They are idiots lol!!!1!11!!
Do you see how ridiculous that all sounds, but sadly that is how a lot of people argue on the internet. BTW, Johnny, why do you still have a Gamecube? If you are not satisfied with it, just sell it. If you dislike Nintendo and what they are doing, just ignore them. I used to have all three consoles, but I recently sold one of them because I was dissatisfied with it. Now, by the way that I argue, I bet you couldn't tell which one I sold, but you could tell which one is my favourite. Now, if you will excuse me, I have the Boost Guardian (on hard mode) to deal with.
Good grief.
What are you trying to do? There is absolutely no reason for me to be concerned about Nintendo at this point in time. On the gaming side, I can only trust certain companies to provide me with games that meet or exceed my expectations and Nintendo is one of them. PM2, MP2:E and Pikmin 2 are all examples of games that I enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) playing this year. On the business side, they continue to be financially healthy and profitable (which will guarantee more games and systems from them in the future). BTW, you can easily find positives and negatives with respect to all the big three console makers:(A) Nintendo has lost home console marketshare over time, but the Gamecube still continues to sell well (globally) and they remain financially strong (with massive profits).
(B) Microsoft has lost about 3 billion dollars on the Xbox (which has failed in a very important market, Japan) and they have only gained a small fraction of Sony's marketshare, but they have created a major franchise (Halo) and they have established the Xbox brand as one to be reckoned with (in the US at least).
(C) Sony "won" the console war this generation. They have the most 3rd party support, the most respect and they have sold far more home consoles than their competitors, but (strangely) they seem to have difficulty profiting from their dominance.
Now, what some people (fanboys) do is that they focus on a negative and blow it out of proportion. If I was to argue like that, I would sound like this:
(1) Nintendo should stop making home consoles. They have lost marketshare, and it is impossible for them to gain marketshare in the future lol!11!! They suck and they are kiddy, lol!1!11!1
(2) Microsoft has created the biggest financial failure of a console in history which couldn't even sell more than the N64. They should get out of this industry because they don't know what they are doing lol!1!!11
(3) Sony should stop making consoles because they can't even make money when they dominate the industry. They are idiots lol!!!1!11!!
Do you see how ridiculous that all sounds, but sadly that is how a lot of people argue on the internet. BTW, Johnny, why do you still have a Gamecube? If you are not satisfied with it, just sell it. If you dislike Nintendo and what they are doing, just ignore them. I used to have all three consoles, but I recently sold one of them because I was dissatisfied with it. Now, by the way that I argue, I bet you couldn't tell which one I sold, but you could tell which one is my favourite. Now, if you will excuse me, I have the Boost Guardian (on hard mode) to deal with.
This thread is a really depressing read on the whole.
It's full of people in complete denial of reality, and the reality being that Nintendo's hopelessly lost its way, and has been wandering pretty much aimlessly since the launch of the 32-bit consoles. Particulary after Sony's meteoric rise to dominance.
I saw one poster throw a tantrum going "waahhh, there's too new games on the cube, Pikmin 14 and donkey konga 29 and mario party 85, WAHHH!"
Problem is, like 80% of cube games are either kiddy and/or party oriented and/or rehashes of old Nintendo franchises. Solid 3rd party support is pretty much non-existant, what we get is a title here, a title there, and not much in the way of big-budget exclusive productions. Where are the Zone of the Enders and the Devil May Cries, I ask?
There's simply put very few solid NORMAL type games on the cube without primary bright colors, platform jumping and stomping on the heads of enemies.
As for Nintendo's finances, take away the portable section of the market and the picture won't look anywhere near as rosy. Sure, they'd still make a profit, but it would be much smaller.
It is with utmost distress I'm witnessing Nintendo's continuing decline, the only non-Nintendo console I've ever bought is my PS2. This IS a really big deal to me, it's like seeing an old childhood friend turning into a junkie who doesn't even care it's happening.
Nintendo is getting increasingly marginalized in the minds of the public and amongst 3rd party devs, and it's like that doesn't matter, like they think, "well, we've always got Mario anyway!" Sorry, but we're getting f'n tired of f'n mario by now. Time to come up with something new!
It's full of people in complete denial of reality, and the reality being that Nintendo's hopelessly lost its way, and has been wandering pretty much aimlessly since the launch of the 32-bit consoles. Particulary after Sony's meteoric rise to dominance.
I saw one poster throw a tantrum going "waahhh, there's too new games on the cube, Pikmin 14 and donkey konga 29 and mario party 85, WAHHH!"
Problem is, like 80% of cube games are either kiddy and/or party oriented and/or rehashes of old Nintendo franchises. Solid 3rd party support is pretty much non-existant, what we get is a title here, a title there, and not much in the way of big-budget exclusive productions. Where are the Zone of the Enders and the Devil May Cries, I ask?
There's simply put very few solid NORMAL type games on the cube without primary bright colors, platform jumping and stomping on the heads of enemies.
As for Nintendo's finances, take away the portable section of the market and the picture won't look anywhere near as rosy. Sure, they'd still make a profit, but it would be much smaller.
It is with utmost distress I'm witnessing Nintendo's continuing decline, the only non-Nintendo console I've ever bought is my PS2. This IS a really big deal to me, it's like seeing an old childhood friend turning into a junkie who doesn't even care it's happening.
Nintendo is getting increasingly marginalized in the minds of the public and amongst 3rd party devs, and it's like that doesn't matter, like they think, "well, we've always got Mario anyway!" Sorry, but we're getting f'n tired of f'n mario by now. Time to come up with something new!
Heh not picking up a game because it has a charactor in it that u don't like or feel is childish is simply silly .
The mario games have all been top notch . In all mario games (Except mabye sunshine) other companys rip off every idea.
I did not buy an xbox because simply put i can get every tittle worth a damn on it for the pc .
The mario games have all been top notch . In all mario games (Except mabye sunshine) other companys rip off every idea.
I did not buy an xbox because simply put i can get every tittle worth a damn on it for the pc .
Guden Oden, ust because you don't like Mario, doesn't mean other people don't enjoy it and buying Mario games. I've never really got into Mario games myself, but Zelda is a different story especially the one coming out next year. Also games like MP gave an old franchise a very nice change in direction. I don't think Nintendo has run out of ideas.
