Microsoft Xbox One X (XBOX) Reviews and Impressions

Yea I should have kept my pre-order on amazon. The price is now 80CAD when it used to be $39.99. I guess they were trying some sort of kickstarter, to get an idea of interest before releasing more capital. At $80 a pop now, I imagine it's going to be a bigger game than what we've seen.

 

there are around 200 people working on sea of thieves for how many years, 3? this thing doesn't come cheap.

 

If you were replying to me, I agree with you. I really meant a big exclusive AAA game *released* at the same time as the xbox one x. Like Breath of the Wild & the Switch.
What do I have to show off the capabilities ? Not much we cannot find on PS4 Pro already.
(offtopic: Sea of Thieves look nice, but Crackdown look overcooked)

 

I saw this on "gamernexus". what does anybody here think?

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3117-xbox-one-x-fps-benchmarks-destiny2-cod-ww2-assassins-creed

How can 0-2 watts even generate 50C heat?

52c translates to about 125 degrees in english, so that doesn't sound too dangerous?

 

Without knowing their testing methodology, this sounds like they took the temp immediately when the console was turned off after long stretches of it running full load. Sort of like reading the temp of an oven immediately when you turn it off after cooking up dinner. "Oh look at that, the oven is off but the oven reads 475 F!"

*shrug*

 

In a large CE device, it shouldn't. You'd have to localise that energy to a small part. Was their thermocouple touching anything?

125 outmoded degrees, American, you mean. Based on a Dutch scale the whole world moved on from because it was shit and unscientific. But yeah, 52 C is shockingly warm, so I think their method is faulty.

They state that temperature should be room after allowing to settle, so I assume they'd factor that in. But I doubt it's representative of the real situation. I don't think a several-watt mobile part at full load hits 52 degrees - it's incredibly improbable XBOX is generating heat of that magnitude while off. It hits only 62 degrees under load!

Edit - they contradict themselves. In the power section with their data plotted, the idle temp is 40 degrees.

 

Are they measuring air (exhaust) temp, heatsink temp or something else?

 

A truly "off" device would be room temperature, but a truly active processor would draw more than 2W ... So how is it 50C at 2W? Unless there's something I'm missing here. One of those two measurements is wrong. Either their temp is measuring high or their power is measuring low, at least it appears that way.

 

Or the area in which they're measuring the temperatures is too close to other massive heat generators such as Audio Video Reciever and large screen TVs.

 

They had a peak of 181W in both Assassin's creed Origins and COD and average of respectively 170W and 173W in those game using dynamic resolution (meaning the engine always tends to use the maximum resources available).

With Destiny 2 they had an average of 110W.

 

Oh, somehow I missed the part about the thermocouple being mounted to the apu. So it's basically a surface temp of the apu. Still seems a bit high, considering the temps under load. In games the temp caps out around 60C, which means they have a delta of 10C from 2W - 180W. Does not compute.

 

Very easy to get 50C from 2W with the fan off.

DF also measured 68C air outlet temp but the die itself can still remain below 90C because vapor chambers are efficient heat spreaders. Higher temp means less air required to remove that amount of heat. It's impossible to remove 180W with less air moving than 155W unless they raise the temperature threshold of the air outlet.

I will quote myself, because I want to brag about how I was correct.

 

As Shifty pointed out, they also state they measured the console at 40 C when turned off, contradicting their 52 C statements. They should have measurements at room-temps when initially attached the thermocouple with the console truly off. If they don't then they didn't calibrate it properly. Sloppy all around.

 

Hmm I'm not too sure about that... With that heatsink and vaporchamper/copper setup. The numbers from the wall was also measured to be 0-2W and the temps 50-55c

According to Anandtech the power consumption in the Instant on-mode is actually about 10W, which makes more sense to get those temps imo, as does the separate energy saving mode consuming around 1W, which is what I suspect actually being measured by gamersnexus of the wall.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11992/the-xbox-one-x-review/6

 

Yeah I agree, 10w makes a lot more sense, they said it was 26-28C ambient. I was thinking about the enclosure keeping the air in a pocket of isolation, but it's not enough for such a big difference I suppose.

 

If airflow is very low things can get quite hot. Like, small LED bulbs for example pulling a few watts, yet hitting ~85C because of no active cooling.

I wouldn't worry about the thing suffering of it btw, it'll be engineered for these temps.

 

10W with fan off would likely pull those temps (no active airflow, small enclosed space not designed for passive cooling). 50-55c sounds like a lot, but it's nothing relatively speaking. At those temps, there is no reason to turn the fan on to cool the SOC.

So, definitely agree with your assessment.

Regards,
SB

 

Yes but a heatsink of that size is probably way better than 5degC/W even with zero airflow and the air inside the enclosure rising to 40C.
The other theory, that they tested the 10W stanby instead of the true off state, looks too perfect to ignore.

Also the off state the power regulators for the soc and memory should be off, the chip itself should be zero. Only some psu losses and some on board microcontroller should be actually wasting power.

 

No wonder it's (allegedly) popular in Finland.

 

It's 14C in my apartment because of this record cold day and my cheap-ass landlord not turning on the heat yet. Thinking of putting the xbox underneath the covers with me tonight.