Microsoft announces external HD-DVD drive for Xbox 360
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scooby_dooby said:
So things can be judged on retail pricing??? So if the PS3 sells for $399 US, then it's costs must be below that?
You CAN'T judge the cost of a product by what it sells for. Blu-ray is the premium player and has a premium price associated with it. High price for early adopters, as was the case with early DVD drives. HD-DVD lower pricing could be a reflection on their weaker stance in entering the market, and may not be a sign of cheaper components at all.
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cthellis42 said:
Marketers get excited over this feature because they can hold a one-to-one communication channel with their movie customers (well, you're playing my movie. I want to friend you more !). It doesn't have to be in-your-face, but it opens up new possibility.
If used well, it can be compelling. I hope this feature makes the cut because this is another way for them to earn more money to offset the initial deployment cost (i.e., they help to keep BR player cost low). I'm pretty sure they'd want to have it in *if they are interested in making more money* that is.
Time is their enemy though.
We've seen more and more features added, sure, but time and cost constraints are the ultimate limiters of what publishers will end up putting on their disks. They certainly CAN pack lots of random other extras on a disk if they have the room, but that doesn't mean they'll have to or want do devote the time and effort to prepare it for professional release.ihamoitc2005 said:
In fact, the amount of extras we're likely to get on movies from a "necessary storage" perspective will quite possibly not increase at all or go down, as the development efforts will concentrate on the interactive layers both HD-DVD and BR have. Finding new ways to entertain and new ways to direct the viewers' eyes at OTHER products you have for them to purchase (as well as developing new ways to bring in advertising dollars) will be more important than throwing on yet another commentary track or another hour of behind-the-scenes footage.
This generation, they're going to be striving to figure out how else to keep the viewer entertained and where else they can DIRECT your eyes (especially through networking possibilities), rather than tossing a few more tidbits to make you enjoy your already-purchased product a little bit more.
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Resolution.
More space = less compression for same length film or higher resolution (1080P at 60fps) or long film on 1 disc instead of 2 disc, or many movies on 1 disc like sequels. Many benefits both quality and quantity.
Bigus Dickus said:
More space = less compression for same length film or higher resolution (1080P at 60fps) or long film on 1 disc instead of 2 disc, or many movies on 1 disc like sequels. Many benefits both quality and quantity.
Time, yes. Development cost, yes. And above and beyond that, we don't know just what additional storage requirements it will be necessary. It may well be that getting in the features and making them clean and clever involve a lot more of those other costs than any storage requirement.patsu said:
Especially if networking gets leaned on, at which point it's bandwidth they're looking at or even remote storage, rather than disk capacity.
Momentum means nothing if the public aint buying it. I honestly don't think average joe cares enough to support either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. I'm one of the few who dove right into DVD-A and SACD I bought a universal player and a lot of titles of each and I like each format.
But they are both dead because joe sixpack prefers MP3's over high quality audio.
The same is going to happen with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, either or both formats may survive as a niche format but neither is going to take off like CD's or DVD's the public just doesn't care and isn't going to spend money to replace movies they already bought on DVD. The change from VHS to DVD was a huge leap in better useability these formats are not and will either die or have a small user base that actually uses them.
But they are both dead because joe sixpack prefers MP3's over high quality audio.
The same is going to happen with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, either or both formats may survive as a niche format but neither is going to take off like CD's or DVD's the public just doesn't care and isn't going to spend money to replace movies they already bought on DVD. The change from VHS to DVD was a huge leap in better useability these formats are not and will either die or have a small user base that actually uses them.
It does, and patsu's not saying otherwise, but rather assuming that it would/could involve extras that put a lot more emphasis on disk storage as well (and hence make Blu-Ray look more favorible in comparison.) I don't think we have enough info on that to make such assumptions yet. Not in regards to movies and the extras they'll be including alongside.Hardknock said:
The only SURE storage impact I can say right now is in regards to HDTV television series, which will undoubtedly be multi-disk and--more importantly--sold together in multi-disk packages. (They used to split the disks up and try to drag out the profit, but they've moved the market past that already, so I don't think any attempts to backpedal in that respect will succeed.) That market is where direct storage:cost comparisons will come into play. (But, again, we don't have enough information yet to determine what the disk costs will be down the line for that MUCH storage.)
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I don't know enough about either spec to make any definitive statements in this regard. I don't think ANY of us do, which is where my comments are coming from.patsu said:
We don't know the requirements, we can't see the development costs, and we can't yet see the extent of these features, and we can't see how far publishers are willing to run with it right now. Hence we can't see just what kind of storage requirements it has or if that will tax HD-DVD in a manner that's not easy to overcome.
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/BroadcastandBusiness/markets/10014/xdcamhd_info.shtmlxbdestroya said:Is Professional Disc blu-ray though?
I mean I know one thing - that camera is not targeted at the consumer!
There has to be beginning before mini-BluRay camcorders coming out in the distant future.
cthellis42 said:I don't know enough about either spec to make any definitive statements in this regard. I don't think ANY of us do, which is where my comments are coming from.
We don't know the requirements, we can't see the development costs, and we can't yet see the extent of these features, and we can't see how far publishers are willing to run with it right now. Hence we can't see just what kind of storage requirements it has or if that will tax HD-DVD in a manner that's not easy to overcome.
Ok
. Incidentally, your idea would work though. Download episode by episode as "Desparate Housewives" aired every week until the BluRay is full (Entire season) for a fee of course.Okay, I have question for you'all...Durability of the disk. I mean it's nice to drive a fast sport car, but there a few individual rather drive a volvo. With bluray disc's protective layer is much thinner than HD-DVD and DVD:
1) wouldn't it be a problem with scratching and whatnot?
2) create a new stronger protectived coat (which is something that already done), but would that mean the same technology could apply to HD-DVD and DVD for even better protection?
Edit: PS, don't you all have work or something?)
1) wouldn't it be a problem with scratching and whatnot?
2) create a new stronger protectived coat (which is something that already done), but would that mean the same technology could apply to HD-DVD and DVD for even better protection?
Edit: PS, don't you all have work or something?
)TrungGap said:Okay, I have question for you'all...Durability of the disk. I mean it's nice to drive a fast sport car, but there a few individual rather drive a volvo. With bluray disc's protective layer is much thinner than HD-DVD and DVD:
1) wouldn't it be a problem with scratching and whatnot?
2) create a new stronger protectived coat (which is something that already done), but would that mean the same technology could apply to HD-DVD and DVD for even better protection?
Edit: PS, don't you all have work or something?
There's a pick of this floating around some where.
Hell, I wish they'd stick a proper protective layer on CDs and DVDs! I'd pay extra for that in a heartbeat. And so, to be sure, would high-volume consumers like Blockbuster or Netflix!
