Last of Us [PS4]

If you are going to do it that way you have to somehow analyze what all future readers will be looking for. How exactly are you supposed to do that?

For example, I would really like to read a review comparing the game mechanics of Telltale's The walking dead and Sakura Taisen, but I would be greatly surprised if I ever read that.

You have past experiences with games/genres and gamer feedback to extrapolate an idea of what the target market is.
You dont need rocket science to understand that it doesnt make sense to take into account the depth of storyline in a Virtua Figher review score but it may make sense to take it into account for an RPG such as Final Fantasy.

And I dont think its realistic to make a gameplay mechanics comparison between Last of Us and Pokemon in a review to inform people whether any of the two games are worth purchasing :rolleyes:
 
And I dont think its realistic to make a gameplay mechanics comparison between Last of Us and Pokemon in a review to inform people whether any of the two games are worth purchasing :rolleyes:

A review is not about whether the game (or any other media) is worth purchasing.

BTW, which gameplay mechanics does TLOU and Pokemon share?
 
You have past experiences with games/genres and gamer feedback to extrapolate an idea of what the target market is.

If you do your review for what you think your "market" wants to hear you will make a very poor review. A review is about how something moved YOU and how it fits in the general or specific media landscape.
 
You have reviews and critiques. Most stuff out there are reviews, and in fact intended to help people make up their mind about seeing/renting/buying said product.
 
A review is not about whether the game (or any other media) is worth purchasing.

BTW, which gameplay mechanics does TLOU and Pokemon share?
Explain what is the purpose of a review.

Also please explain why on earth do you make such a pointless question as if these two games should even be compared?
If you do your review for what you think your "market" wants to hear you will make a very poor review. A review is about how something moved YOU and how it fits in the general or specific media landscape.
You miss the point again. A good review is the review that covers the important aspects of a game based on its target market and experience it wants to offer. I have to be aware of that and hence the review should cover if what it aims to do does it well
If a story line FAILED to move me in Vrtua fighter it is irrelevant. If the fighting mechanics MOVED me because I understand a fighting game's mechanics it is relevant. If it DIDNT move me because I do not understand the mechanics I am irrelevant. Put that into a different game's context and what is relevant and irrelevant changes. If I reserve 1/3rds of my review talking about Virtua Fighter's storyline and that is accounted into the score my review will be poor. People want to hear if the "meat" of the game is good or bad. So thats what I am going to talk about. And this what will make my review good under that game's context. Everything else will take the appropriate reference based on their level of importance
How it fits in a general or specific media landscape is directly related to the kind of experience it wants to offer and hence it has a specific form which targets a specific group of gamers which may be large or small.
 
What was I thinking ? Ico s*cks. Should free up the HDD space for DoA5 costumes instead.

Yea! Thats the way to roll :LOL: ! ( just a bit more work and maybe a sneak session of Ico ....yea yea...I will get back to work in 15 minutes...no more than that...:yep2: there there)
 
Explain what is the purpose of a review.
It can serve two purposes. One is to inform people on whether they should invest in something or not, and the other is just as an entertainment piece for people to read for amusement. There's certainly no law, written or unwritten, that says a review has to provide unbiased analysis for accurate sales considerations. Take a famous 'retail' programme like Top Gear. It provides reviews of cars mostly for entertainment. They aren't intrinsically accurate or fair when it comes to informing consumers. Or Zero Punctuation - his reviews are mostly for entertainment from the review itself.
 
It can serve two purposes. One is to inform people on whether they should invest in something or not, and the other is just as an entertainment piece for people to read for amusement. There's certainly no law, written or unwritten, that says a review has to provide unbiased analysis for accurate sales considerations. Take a famous 'retail' programme like Top Gear. It provides reviews of cars mostly for entertainment. They aren't intrinsically accurate or fair when it comes to informing consumers. Or Zero Punctuation - his reviews are mostly for entertainment from the review itself.
Whether there is a law unwritten or not is besides the point. What matters is this reaffirmation that even the reviews whose purpose is to inform people whether an investment on a product is worth or not are often very missinformative. Saying its "how things are, and there is no law to tell how reviews should be" is not an excuse that missinformative reviews should be taken as a given or that misinformative reviews dont exist. Again it points to the fact that game's journalism has problems. Reviews coming from places such as Zero Punctuation or Angry Video Game Nerd make it pretty clear that their purpose is to entertain. This is why people dont use them to decide if a game is worth puchasing. This is why you dont see a review score from them being accounted in metacritic. But if there are such reviews in metacritic it makes it even more obvious that there is a clusterfuck of good written reviews, bad written reviews and reviews whose main purpose isnt even to provide a picture of how good a product is.
Of course some reviews could be entertaining and informative simultaneously if the reviewer is competent and thorough
 
Whether there is a law unwritten or not is besides the point. What matters is this reaffirmation that even the reviews whose purpose is to inform people whether an investment on a product is worth or not are often very missinformative. Saying its "how things are, and there is no law to tell how reviews should be" is not an excuse...
It's not an excuse, because it's not a problem these reviewers recognise as needing an excuse. Your belief that reviews should be accurate and serve a consumer purpose is a personal one. It's not one I disagree with per se, but there are other people out there who'll see a review as just being a personal expression and it shouldn't serve any higher purpose, and they've just as valid a viewpoint. One could argue that sites like Metacritic would select which reviews to include as being objective, but that in itself is subjective. How do you decide if a 7/10 score is objectively based and worth including, or just a personal opinion posted to the 'net like so many blogs?

Reviews coming from places such as Zero Punctuation or Angry Video Game Nerd make it pretty clear that their purpose is to entertain. This is why people dont use them to decide if a game is worth puchasing
See, that's a subjective interpretation. I take Zero Punctuation, the few episodes I've seen, as legitimate criticism dressed up in a humorous style, but still intended as a real review on whether a game is good or not based on the reviewer's opinion. I consider his review scores as just as valid to a Metacritic score as any other.

At the end of the day it's an inexact science, and will always be, and no-one should place too much value in review scores anyway. It really doesn't matter. I look up what's on TV at a website called RadioTimes. The film reviews there are very hit and miss. I've read high praise for films I think stink and vice versa. They're entitled to express their review, and I grumble and say I think they're wrong and express my view of the film in the comments, but I'm not going to claim they're failing to do their job to inform me what films I should or shouldn't be wasting my time on! ;)
 
Also please explain why on earth do you make such a pointless question as if these two games should even be compared?

In my opinion, Sakura Taisen and Telltales' The walking dead seem to have very similar top level game mechanics. I base this on playing the demo of walking dead and a couple of the Sakura Taisen games. A review of The walking dead could point this out and place that game in a cultural context.

If you do a review of Virtua Fighter 6 it might be interesting to compare it to other fighting games like Tekken, Street Fighter etc.
 
You miss the point again. A good review is the review that covers the important aspects of a game based on its target market and experience it wants to offer. I have to be aware of that and hence the review should cover if what it aims to do does it well

I assume that "it" is the game here.

So in order to good review according to your criteria you would have to know the game's target audience and the "experience it wants to offer". First of all, the game is just a product and cannot "want" anything, so I assume you mean what the developer/publisher aim for.

So let us take the hypothetical Barbie Racing 4. The publisher states that is aimed at girls aged 6-10 and that it wants to offer a "fun casual game". If I were to review that according to your criteria I would have to imagine myself being a 6-10 year old girl and then do the review. But that would just be fake because I am not an 8 year old girl and trying to pretend would never work. So you can only do a review from your perspective based on your experiences and abilities.
 
But then why would I want to read your review of that game? We're derailing the thread with typical how should reviewers review things banter that we've seen loads of over the years.

Walkthroughs and first fifteen minutes starting to appear on Youtube now, and man, I just watched a tiny fragment, but omg.

Also, I am now wondering if in next-gen games, (don't worry, this is not a spoiler) the pillow will actually be pushed in by the weight? This was one of the biggest immersion breakers in what I've seen so far, ironically.
 
It's not an excuse, because it's not a problem these reviewers recognise as needing an excuse. Your belief that reviews should be accurate and serve a consumer purpose is a personal one. It's not one I disagree with per se, but there are other people out there who'll see a review as just being a personal expression and it shouldn't serve any higher purpose, and they've just as valid a viewpoint. One could argue that sites like Metacritic would select which reviews to include as being objective, but that in itself is subjective. How do you decide if a 7/10 score is objectively based and worth including, or just a personal opinion posted to the 'net like so many blogs?
The confusion comes from the fact that the term review is loosely used. The definition of review is this http://www.thefreedictionary.com/review
Whereas journalists and individuals have been using the term under different contexts. This has been happening for a long time as journalism became more and more concerned with creating impressions than talking about facts and people found it easier to get some form of popularity with the help of the internet. So now people are accustomed to use the same term for all contexts.

So what we have now are reviews with the aim to inform if a product is worth purchasing, personal opinions, parodies, space fillers written by people who dont even care or know about the product they are writing about, personal blogs etc falling under the term "review"

When I begun talking about this subject it was due to my concern that there is this mix up of all these kinds of "reviews" being thrown together as if they belong in the same category quality and content wise. And obviously not all are providing a good idea of what they are reviewing. This is not just isolated in game reviews of course.

Its only natural that some people will complain about some of them being badly written

So lets go to your below argument
See, that's a subjective interpretation. I take Zero Punctuation, the few episodes I've seen, as legitimate criticism dressed up in a humorous style, but still intended as a real review on whether a game is good or not based on the reviewer's opinion. I consider his review scores as just as valid to a Metacritic score as any other.
You see I didnt say anything about it being legitimate or not. Zero punctuations legitimacy is subject to its context. It is legitimate because the..."reviewer" makes his position and aim very clear. And I accept and agree with ZP's points even though the areas it is covering are sometimes on purpose and knowingly unrelated to how good a game is in its totality (but valid points regardless), whereas other reviews are not. ZP's "review" may choose a point of view under which it "shits" on a game's face with very valid points I agree with wholeheartedly. And yet the game may be worth experiencing and the reviewer seems to know it. Note that it does not provide scores since its aware of its approach. Thats why I have these games in my library and I see where ZP comes from regardless. But the same cant be said for every other review out there that takes itself seriously while knowing less about the game they are reviewing than Zero Punctuation

In my opinion, Sakura Taisen and Telltales' The walking dead seem to have very similar top level game mechanics. I base this on playing the demo of walking dead and a couple of the Sakura Taisen games. A review of The walking dead could point this out and place that game in a cultural context.

If you do a review of Virtua Fighter 6 it might be interesting to compare it to other fighting games like Tekken, Street Fighter etc.
But sometimes it can make sense and we have seen good reviews making references to other games and media. But regardless of whether they refer to another similar title or not though all good reviews make an in-depth analysis of the gameplay mechanics of the game which is the common interest. It depends on what context you make other references to. Sure some reviewer can be creative and make some other references such us how fighting games evolved from the projectile shooting fighting games like Street Fighter to the 3D realistic fighting games like VF. Or they could cover the different gameplay approaches between Tekken and VF for informative purposes or to give an idea of what new it brings into the table compared to other games. But would it really make sense to underscore or overscore Virtua Fighter because Akira doesnt supercharge, throw projectiles and jump like Ryu or because its fighting system has a much difficult learning curve than Tekken? Of course not.

Similarly you can make reference to DMC being one of the first of its kind to bring in the genre the depth of a fighting game in its combat system or that it lends inspiration from RE but it wouldnt make sense to criticize it for not having the depth of Virtua Fighter or being as horrific as Resident Evil.
You wouldnt criticize Gran Turismo or Forza for being less fan because they dont have cinematic crashes like Burnout, becuase they dont have power ups like Blur and because cars dont drift endlessly like Ridge Racer
I assume that "it" is the game here.

So in order to good review according to your criteria you would have to know the game's target audience and the "experience it wants to offer". First of all, the game is just a product and cannot "want" anything, so I assume you mean what the developer/publisher aim for.
Wasnt it obvious?

So let us take the hypothetical Barbie Racing 4. The publisher states that is aimed at girls aged 6-10 and that it wants to offer a "fun casual game". If I were to review that according to your criteria I would have to imagine myself being a 6-10 year old girl and then do the review. But that would just be fake because I am not an 8 year old girl and trying to pretend would never work. So you can only do a review from your perspective based on your experiences and abilities.
Simple. It doesnt matter much because almost all media outlets are adult or teen oriented, they dont view the 6-10 year old as the main audience of their media outlet, and even when they do, they know that the 6-10 year olds dont understand reviews or have the same demands as an adult. The developer also knows that.
 
The neogaf thread say Asian Version can preload. Can anyone, who is on Gaf, ask there when will the preload start? I bought it fro the INdian store, so thats as much asia as it can get :p
 
You mean install to HDD ?

Ya, Usually we can start the download a few days before release date and the game installs but stays locked till the release date. LOU has a custom installer, we have th einstaller installed on the ps3, but it doesn't start the download yet. Neogaf says Asian Versions can preload, while for all others it will start the download only at release and will let u play when the download is halfway through.

Since, mine bought in INdia, should count as the asian version, just want to know when can I start downloading?
 
Just checked my mail. I have also been charged for it about 30 mins back, but I tried dowloading, no luck. Still says the same thing " Content cannot be used before start date"
 
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