"Kutaragi: PlayStation 3 "is not a game machine&qu

[_phil_]

Side to side screens filtered/unfiltered with Ffdshow ( lanczos sharpening+other things)

here :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/nicolas.phil/fr/DPCHC_capture_gla.html#gla1
The ffdshow filters are pretty heavy on cpu.

 

[MrWibble]

I'm talking about the processing in use in expensive TVs. And that not only needs to be real-time, but also VERY fast, since it works on realtime TV programs (or any other source, like DVDs or games)

AFAIK those systems are generally custom hardware - probably built/tested on FPGAs and then turned into custom ASICs. The different processing stages tend to be fairly self-contained, and introduce lag into the image the more you add because they aren't sharing a framebuffer so are going to introduce at least a frame of latency at each stage.

For this reason, and because it's a lot easier to write and maintain, there seems to be a move towards CPU+framebuffer based processing instead.

So a chip which is cheap and scalable, and designed around processing a stream of localised data (like image processing etc. involves) would be pretty ideal.

This in turn will open the door for a whole load more advanced processing to occur.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

And upgradeable features of your TV too. Download the latest scaling software, upgrade to version two of your image effects plugins, get TV driver conflict issues, get a virus on your TV, have to faff about with a TV firewall which doesn't work with some broadcasts...

It is a bright new future ahead of us.

 

[London Geezer]

I'm talking about the processing in use in expensive TVs. And that not only needs to be real-time, but also VERY fast, since it works on realtime TV programs (or any other source, like DVDs or games)

AFAIK those systems are generally custom hardware - probably built/tested on FPGAs and then turned into custom ASICs. The different processing stages tend to be fairly self-contained, and introduce lag into the image the more you add because they aren't sharing a framebuffer so are going to introduce at least a frame of latency at each stage.

For this reason, and because it's a lot easier to write and maintain, there seems to be a move towards CPU+framebuffer based processing instead.

So a chip which is cheap and scalable, and designed around processing a stream of localised data (like image processing etc. involves) would be pretty ideal.

This in turn will open the door for a whole load more advanced processing to occur.

Thanks, that answered my question

 

[Kolgar]

Exactly. Sony's goal was never to be merely a big player in the "video game" market. It wants to be the biggest provider of "computer entertainment" in all its forms.

Makes sense, given the company's roots in consumer electronics, music, movies, etc.

I'm glad they're thinking bigger than just games. Means we'll get more cool things like PSP - products that don't just beep and boop, but that enhance our lifestyles.

 

[PC-Engine]

Yep like BETAMAX, MD, and UMD.

 

[Phil]

PC-Engine, could you please stop trolling every single thread when you don't have anything useful and constructive to contribute?

 

[marconelly!]

Kutaragi's example there seems to be something of a non-realtime nature (not to say Cell won't be able to use some fractal algorithms to upscale image to HD on the fly). He talks about ripping your own DVDs (legally, through some secure feature) and storing them on a "Cell Storage" (probably a HDD, or some network depository) where they would be left to be processed and upscaled to HD footage, presumably through some very high quality non realtime algorithm. Quite interesting actually, being able to store your movie library like that and enhance it. That way you can re-buy only the movies you particularily like in the BR format.

 

[phat]

ah u must have the x360 preordered

Xbox-anything is just a little too geeky for my living room. My interior decorator will probably have a fit if she sees it there. But, neither the PS3 nor the Revolution should incite her wrath.

Besides, PS3 is the better AV hub, with its rich interconnects and BR drive (the lack of these really do rule out the X360 for my AV setup). And very possibly a better game console as well. In addition, Sony is trying to use it as a distribution channel for its huge media library, so it should also be a strong AV content server.

 

[London Geezer]

Kutaragi's example there seems to be something of a non-realtime nature (not to say Cell won't be able to use some fractal algorithms to upscale image to HD on the fly). He talks about ripping your own DVDs (legally, through some secure feature)

Heh, seen the whole open-sourceness talks, PS3 might become the heaven of pirates around the globe. X360 will to, by the way. There's no escape.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Do the open-sourced API's include info on the DRM hardwired (supposedly) into Cell? I'd love to know what system they're using. eg. Is it tied to a particular unit of hardware? If you encode everything on your PS3, your house gets burgled and you buy another PS3, will you still have access to your material?

There's been trouble of this sort so I hear with portble music players and various music download services, and there aren't any obvious answers at the moment.

 

[London Geezer]

Do the open-sourced API's include info on the DRM hardwired (supposedly) into Cell? I'd love to know what system they're using. eg. Is it tied to a particular unit of hardware? If you encode everything on your PS3, your house gets burgled and you buy another PS3, will you still have access to your material?

There's been trouble of this sort so I hear with portble music players and various music download services, and there aren't any obvious answers at the moment.

Ps3 will have an electric shock security system. Anyone touching it when the owner doesn't want to of is out of the house and it sends a 20k volt blast through your body.

Just be careful with the kids or the dog.

 

[ralexand]

Kutaragi's example there seems to be something of a non-realtime nature (not to say Cell won't be able to use some fractal algorithms to upscale image to HD on the fly). He talks about ripping your own DVDs (legally, through some secure feature) and storing them on a "Cell Storage" (probably a HDD, or some network depository) where they would be left to be processed and upscaled to HD footage, presumably through some very high quality non realtime algorithm. Quite interesting actually, being able to store your movie library like that and enhance it. That way you can re-buy only the movies you particularily like in the BR format.

Exactly I don't know where the discussion of tv signals came in. My point was if its going to be upgrading your content while the cell is idle then the cpu speed isn't that big an issue its the quality of the algorithm used to increase the resolution of your content. Seems like a very strange feature to me that would give you much improvement over current scaling that takes place in video hardware.

 

[wco81]

Sounds like this is some service you pay for, especially if you store your content online in this Cell Storage thing.

Doesn't the Cell have built-in security features? Maybe it's something as simple as a processor ID but probably much more involved. Whether that will allay the concerns of studios to let them rip DVDs in some legal service is another matter.

As for the X360 as a media center, MS would prefer you get a Media Center Edition PC and stream content to the X360. Without an HDMI/DVI with HDCP input, the only way to get HD content would be on another device which has those interfaces, then stream it (although I'm not sure the MPAA would be that happy about this either).

 

[Chandler]

Yep like BETAMAX, MD, and UMD.

forgetting the CD are we?

 

[jonnyp]

Yep like BETAMAX, MD, and UMD.

forgetting the CD are we?

I thought it was only Philips who invented the CD. Was Sony involved? But Sony did have the Walkman, which was pretty damn cool when it first came out.