jvd said:
Don't be silly! It won't fit, my desktop is only 1208x1024!
Kutaragi Ken: "PS3's GPU isn't an upgraded PC GPU"
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Don't be silly! It won't fit, my desktop is only 1208x1024!
jvd said:
Actually it got sidetracked by your huge ass.
A G70 in terms of shader structure and how it renders graphics, but customized to communicate with Cell in a totally unique way from the PC space. Therefore it's an implementation of nVIDIA's current design and a new architecture.
Sorry to sound redundant, but how different can 2 chips be, if they ultimately have to do the same tasks, have the same baseline architecture, unit more unit less, if neither has eDRAM, if they're both attached to GDDR3...
Oh, they have to talk to diffferent kinds of CPU. That's different. But other than that, i'm not sure they can be called "radically different architecture". And ultimately, why should they?
The Xbox did just fine with a "modified" PC GPU against a "radically new architecture with eDRAM" (sounds familiar?) - and modified much less than the RSX is going to be. Unless "one vertex shader more than the PC equivalent" guarantees it the status of "heavily modified".
Oh, they have to talk to diffferent kinds of CPU. That's different. But other than that, i'm not sure they can be called "radically different architecture". And ultimately, why should they?
The Xbox did just fine with a "modified" PC GPU against a "radically new architecture with eDRAM" (sounds familiar?) - and modified much less than the RSX is going to be. Unless "one vertex shader more than the PC equivalent" guarantees it the status of "heavily modified".
DegustatoR
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I think you should exclude G80 from the poll. We don't know what is G80 yet. Probably it is "GeForce 8" and it's an open issue right now if the GF8 series will be based on NV4x design or if they will support WGF2.
As for RSX -- it's G70 on 90nm with PCIE interface replaced with FlexIO interface and 128-bit memory bus.
As for RSX -- it's G70 on 90nm with PCIE interface replaced with FlexIO interface and 128-bit memory bus.
DegustatoR said:
Nah I say leave the G80. I was always under the impression that G70 stemmed from NV40, whereas G80 was something new. RSX might be out before G80, but that doesn't mean it can't incorporate some of the concepts, ideas, and architecture going into it.
Could it be that the RSX and the G70 share many of the same basic components (IE, they both use the same vertex/pixel shader design, pipeline structure, etc), but are configured differently based on system architecture? IE perhaps G70 has more resources devoted to vertex shading while the RSX focuses more on pixel shading? How flexible has nVidia's pipelines been recently? Is something like this reasonable?
Nite_Hawk
Nite_Hawk
Megadrive1988
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I'm betting on a slightly to modestly modified G70, which I guess would make the RSX mostly an Nv4X design.
I'm thinking that RSX is to NV40 what GeForce 4 Ti 4800 was to GeForce 3
in the analogy, the G70 is basicly GeForce 4 Ti 4200
the G70 itself is basicly a refreshed NV4X is it not?
I could be wrong but, hey.
I'm thinking that RSX is to NV40 what GeForce 4 Ti 4800 was to GeForce 3
in the analogy, the G70 is basicly GeForce 4 Ti 4200
the G70 itself is basicly a refreshed NV4X is it not?
I could be wrong but, hey.
Alpha_Spartan
Regular
The PS3 has a G70 modified slightly to work efficiently in the PS3. Sony originally wanted to go with an all Cell PS3, but things didn't work out and so they ran to Nvidia for a PC part. Anything you hear from Sony is PR hype. Kutaragi is an arrogant master of hype. No wonder he got demoted. When the G70 details are released, we will know the truth.
Is Kutaragi lying? We'll see. But there's a pattern of behavior that I notice coming from the higher echelons of SCEI/A.
Is Kutaragi lying? We'll see. But there's a pattern of behavior that I notice coming from the higher echelons of SCEI/A.
Alpha Spartan, please don't come here to infect this place with the same kind of opinionated non-posts that are the norm in the threads you contribute to at your home forum. You have two posts so far here, and neither of them contribute anything.
It would have been enough to say that 'G70 is slightly modified' without you then ranting about 'the hype.'
It would have been enough to say that 'G70 is slightly modified' without you then ranting about 'the hype.'
Alpha_Spartan
Regular
Can you logically dispute the substance of my posts? I didn't post here to make people happy or to have everyone agree with me. I do believe that points of view similar to mine are in short order. I want to cut through the PR and marketing hype to let people know what kind of character we're dealing with in Kutaragi and his cohorts. These were the same individuals who bashed the Dreamcasts 56K online gaming and outlined grandiose plans of an all-broadband gaming network for the PS2 in 2000. That never materialized. Why? Because it was a PR move meant to discredit and steal thunder from SegaNet. Sony never had any intentions of making it so. Proof of this is when the Dreamcast was discontinued, so did Sony's grandiose plans. Ironically, a year later when Microsoft outlined Xbox Live, an all-broadband gaming network, Sony criticized it and said that 56K was the way.xbdestroya said:
However, when Xbox Live materialized, Sony hastily threw out a network adapter that let gamers play each other online. They dubbed it "PS2 Online" which it really wasn't. It was more like "[INSERT DEVELOPER HERE] Online". Sony is a reactionary entity that relies on smoke and mirrors, hype and inflated numbers to mezmerize the press and their loyal base. I've seen this repeated for the ten years that the PS brand has been in existance. Why not? If it ain't broke don't fix it. My point is that you should consider all of the evidence we have now:
--Sony's past record of over-promising and under-delivering
--Kutaragi-san's comments contradicting Nvidias (some of you are honestly trying to reconcile them both...in vain).
--Harrison's comment on Killzone PS2 and Guerilla Game's contradiction
--Sony has a business to run and a fanbase to maintain
Don't put it past SCEI/A to bend the truth. It's like deja vu. Again, my point-of-view may not rub well with the majority, but that's not my aim. My aim is to present the other side of the picture. Instead of attacking my character, attack the merit of the points I make. That's much more effective.
DegustatoR
Legend
Sony never planed to use Cell for rendering. They did plan to use Toshiba's RS GPU though. But it didn't work out.
And from what i know right now RSX is way better then Toshiba's RS.
And from what i know right now RSX is way better then Toshiba's RS.
Alpha_Spartan
Regular
There are quotes and hints that go a couple years back that suggested that the PS3 would be a grid of Cells working together to render graphics, perform broadband functions and to work on things like A.I. and physics. I never heard of the Toshiba GPU, but rather a "Graphics Synthesizer 2" moniker being thrown around. I'm much more pleased that they swallowed their pride this time around and went with a well-supported and familiar architecture.DegustatoR said:
Alpha_Spartan said:
First of all, 'Graphics Synthesizer' is the Toshiba GPU. Second of all, broadband functions? No. You're thinking about the Broadband Engine, and that was just the nomiker given to the Cell implementation described in the patent, which consisted of four Cell chips workign in concert.
And as to my comments before, most people here are old enough, smart enough, and savvy enough to cut through PR BS, whether Sony's or MS's, without any help - it has nothing to do with 'things the majority might not want to hear' - so let's just try to keep things tech here and avoid tyraids on 'Kutagari the Liar.'
PS - Playstation 2 was built with that Ethernet adaptor in mind - it wasn't soem thing they slapped together in desperation over Live. It was part of the plan from the beginning - it's just in that regard (online), their plan didn't gain the acclaim that Microsoft's did.
If they never intended online, why'd they provide fora network adaptor upgrade option when designing PS2?Alpha_Spartan said:
I think it more likely that they had their visionary dreams (which KK is prone to do) and then come crashing to reality. Broadband's only taking off now, and 5 years ago wasn't common. KK's hopes of broadband networks didn't come true that time, so he's trying again.
