NVIDIA Files Complaints Against Samsung and Qualcomm for Infringing Its GPU Patents

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  1. Exophase

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    That's an odd position, I thought it was well established in this thread that any user of an infringing technology can be targeted by an infringement lawsuit. For example here: http://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/n...ing-its-gpu-patents.56049/page-5#post-1802269 Surely if that's your stance you would have been saying that Samsung shouldn't be responsible for what Qualcomm does with the SoCs they purchase.

    I'm not even going to bother giving an analysis as to whether or not I think the patents are applicable, every time I do that on a forum a bunch of people get snarky with me for not being a lawyer.
     
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    That is a bit misleading. Samsung makes use of patented technology in the product itself. If one buys a Samsung SoC, then the customer benefits directly from that technology. On the other hand, if one purchases an Nvidia SoC, they don't gain any magical fabrication benefits, they merely get a product that was produced using them.
     
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    Are you not aware that a major component of the infringement claim lies on Samsung's use of Qualcomm SoCs? The entire attempt at injunction in the US hinges on this since Samsung doesn't even ship their flagship phones with non-Qualcomm SoCs here.
     
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    Yes. Am I not allowed to agree with one aspect of the case while disagreeing with another?

    Anyway, even in that case it is still not exactly the same, since the patented technology is actually a part of the product and available to subsequent users in the chain. But I digress...
     
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    Some more tidbits ...

    http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1324605&_mc=RSS_EET_EDT
     
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    It is ODD because if TSMC has a license to the Samsung patent mentioned then that would mean that Nvidia is also granted that right. If not then TSMC infringes and all of their customers (Apple, QualComm, etc) could also be on the hook.
     
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    Kind of like how the many OEMs who aren't Samsung would be just as much on the hook for infringement for using Qualcomm SoCs as Samsung is? Why is it odd to you that Samsung retaliates against nVidia by doing what nVidia did in the first place?
     
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    Looks like Samsung's Lawyers are not doing a good job if one of the patents they say Nvidia/Velocity Micro violated 6,282,938 has expired because of "FAILURE TO PAY MAINTENANCE FEES".

    PATENTS WHICH EXPIRED ON September 2, 2005
    DUE TO FAILURE TO PAY MAINTENANCE FEES

    http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/og/2005/week44/patexpi.htm

    6,282,938 Method for rolling a metal strip

    6,282,938 -was assigned to Scholemann-Siemag Aktiengesellschaft not assigned to Samsung and it expired September 2, 2005 for not paying fee

    Patent Application Issue
    Number Number Date
    6,282,938 09/647,187 09/04/01
    Method for rolling a metal strip

    Inventors:
    Mertens; Werner (Viersen, DE), Kramer; Stephan (Hilchenbach, DE)

    Assignee:
    SMS Scholemann-Siemag Aktiengesellschaft (Dusseldorf, DE)
     
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    Oh my God :D :D
    ...but you haven't dealt with lawyers dealing with (possible) patent violations, otherwise you'd know them more :D

    too bad I cant comment more, sorry :)
     
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    Samsung's dragging Velocity Micro into this is absolutely despicable. Wow. I'm starting to believe all the nasty, horrible things I've read about Samsung's Korean executive team.
     
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    I hope you are kidding. US multinationals made much worse -either in US and elsewhere. Or maybe you are a bit too young and don't remember the '90...
    What you can say about samsung is that they are incredibly bad at counter-suing. While it is usual to put alot of (irrelevant) patents at start since the judge will cleave them, putting an EXPIRED one makes them look... naive, at least.
     
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    Yeah I'm sure other companies do it as well. Doesn't make it any better.
     
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    Samsung asks the US government to block NVIDIA's chips
    http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/22/samsung-itc-complaint-against-nvidia/?ncid=rss_truncated
     
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    NVIDIA Receives Favorable Markman Pretrial Ruling from ITC in Patent Dispute with Samsung, Qualcomm

    http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/04/06/itc-favorable-ruling
     
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    Nvidia countersued Samsung in the U.S. District Court in Virginia

    http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/04/16/update-patent-samsung

    2321 slide (1278 page) Response and Counter Claims
    http://www.slideshare.net/NVIDIA/nvidia-countersues-samsung

    Nvidia's defense:

    First Defense: (Non Infringement) pg 798
    Second Defense: (Invalidity) pg 799
    Third Defense: (Waiver, Laches, Estoppel) pg 810
    Fourth Defense: (Express or Implied License, Patent Exhaustion) pg 811
    Fifth Defense: (Prosecution History Estoppel, Prosecution Disclaimer) pg 812
    Sixth Defense: (Limitations of Damages) pg 812
    Seventh Defense: (Patent Misuse) pg 812
    Eighth Defense: (Breach of Contract) pg 813
    Ninth Defense: (Unclean Hands) pg 813
    Tenth Defense: (Equitable/Promissory Estoppel) pg 814
    Eleventh Defense: (Statute of Limitations) pg 814
    Twelfth Defense: (Other) pg 814

    Counter Claims pg 816:

    Patent(s)

    7339590 - http://www.google.com/patents/US7339590
    Vertex processing unit supporting vertex texture mapping

    7095414 - http://www.google.com/patents/US7095414
    Blending system and method in an integrated computer graphics pipeline

    6532013 - http://www.google.com/patents/US6532013
    System, method and article of manufacture for pixel shaders for programmable shading

    8174531 - http://www.google.com/patents/US8174531
    Programmable graphics processor for multithreaded execution of programs
     
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    Forgive me for going slightly off-topic, but can you imagine being a judge and having to read a 2321-page document full of legalese about freaking semiconductor patents? I don't know about you, but you could never pay me enough to do that.
     
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    That was my first reaction as well.
     
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    The judge could parallelize the process by farming out groups of pages at a time to an army of legal temps to evaluate and summarize. There might be some stalls when one legal claim depends on another, but these could be hidden with proper personnel scheduling.

    This arrangement may run afoul of some graphics patents, though.
     
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    That may be, but I heard a rumour of how much "expert witnesses" might get paid in these sort of cases and it didn't sound like you'd have to do too many weeks each year to get by. :shock:
     
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