Jak 2
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chaphack said:This guy...is he a joke?Maybe he is some vennted up PS2 member, registered under a new nick so as to claim all is holy with PS2? You know, you maketh PS2 fans look bad.
i am not ps2 fan, i only know that xbox doesnt have technically advanced game like gc or ps2 yet...
friedsnake said:
that pretty generic. racing game fighting games with animated backdrops etc fall under this category.
also since where in jak 2 do you have hundreds/thousands of moving (complex) objects?
huge world? are you talking about draw distance? of level size/geometry ratio?
EDIT:
'doesn't have a technically advanced games'? even some of the launch titles were eye catching don't you think?
" since where in jak 2 do you have hundreds/thousands of moving (complex) objects?
huge world? are you talking about draw distance? of level size/geometry ratio"
yes, jak1 and 2 have huundreds moving objects...just like RaC has.
huge world - everything you mentioned...
And ZURICH
i know that Socom 2 looks horrible....you just said ps2 cannot bump-map without performance hit.
huge world? are you talking about draw distance? of level size/geometry ratio"
yes, jak1 and 2 have huundreds moving objects...just like RaC has.
huge world - everything you mentioned...
And ZURICH
i know that Socom 2 looks horrible....you just said ps2 cannot bump-map without performance hit.
This is getting a bit out of hand here...
We all know that it's not easy and for many developers not feasable to do bump mapping in-game - but why write it off as that easily? All those facts presented that PS2 will never do it, are laughable at best. Reminds me of the thread vers made on his little achievements doing bump mapping - that already should be evident enough that it can be done. Period.
[disclaimer]No I don't care if we'll ever see it, I just disagree with the general additude of some posters spouting "facts" about how it will never be done with no technical reasoning behind it.[/disclaimer]
We all know that it's not easy and for many developers not feasable to do bump mapping in-game - but why write it off as that easily? All those facts presented that PS2 will never do it, are laughable at best. Reminds me of the thread vers made on his little achievements doing bump mapping - that already should be evident enough that it can be done. Period.
[disclaimer]No I don't care if we'll ever see it, I just disagree with the general additude of some posters spouting "facts" about how it will never be done with no technical reasoning behind it.[/disclaimer]
friedsnake said:
if you want ot dicuss why we differ on this issue then at least refrain from the superiorty style posting and insults thanks.
PHil:
we know PS2 can do BM but given what we know we are merely expressing sceptism.
GTA is doing alot more besides pushing Graphics (which are average at best IMO) and was developed on middleware.
you keep bringing up that Jak2 has beautiful graphics. while no one is disputing that. I doubt that what we will see is not unreproducable on other formats (Xbox is dead cert and gamecube might be memory limited *shrugs*).
jak had a huge world in terms of scale. tecture and geometry complexity at any one viewport was good not great. as for moving objects I cannot recall many instances of hundreds of them whilst playing (at least not in jak1).
friedsnake said:
IT CANT.
For goddsakes man, people who make a living professionally coding GAMES for the PS2 have said here what I just said (no DoT3, multitexture performance murder), why can't you understand this?
I posted the Socom 2 picture to show you that there is clearly no bumpmapping going on there.
Like seriously, if you want to be an active, informed member of this board, why can't you just suck it up and do some research into past threads instead of making yourself look bad.
Proteus said:
I give up. Time for the mods to step in :?
In other news, the Jak 2 engine sure looks nice. It'd be nice if ND would license it out to other devs, or they themselves use it for a non-platformer. I kinda/sorta hate the genre, but it would be sweet to see it in an action-type game.
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