Impressions on AceCombat 5 how was it?

london-boy said:
I wouldn't wanna go off-topic, but in reality, what do the real effects of breaking the sound barrier look like? I saw a picture (everyone must have seen it) of a plane engulfed by a ball/wave of what looks like vapour... I just don't know what it is and why it happens........... err..

The reasons for this "effect" are very complicated. Basically, when an object moves through air at a speed which is faster than the speed of sound, a "shock wave" is created (actually, it's a 3 dimensional cone whose vertex is at the front of the plane, and usually also on some other surfaces of the plane such as where the main wing meets the fuselage). Basically, a shock wave is a pressure disturbance (the surface of these cones) that is very thin (tens of molecules wide, or something like that). On one side (in front of the cone), the local pressure is high, but on the other side of the shock wave, the local pressure is much lower. When you hear a "sonic boom", it is the surface of this cone passing by your eardrums, which detect the pressure differential, which your brain interprets as sound. All the white smoke you see is actually water vapor which condenses locally around the cone's surface due to the pressure differential. Normally, you can't see the shock wave with the naked eye, but in those movies the local humidity is high enough so that the condensation make the shock wave visible.

Interestingly, you can sort of tell how fast the plane is moving by the "steepness" of this cone. If the cone is "flat" (i.e. almost vertical), the plane has just passed Mach 1. If the cone is "steeper" (e.g like a 45 degree angle), the plane is going much faster than Mach 1. The "steepness" of the cone is proportional to the plane's speed. I can probably dig up the exact formulas from an old Gas Dynamics text if any one is curious.

Back on topic. I wish they made some Ace Combat games for the Xbox. I can't believe the Xbox doesn't have any Jet sims (well, it has one but the reviews said it blew).

Edit: spelling
 
^^ Good summary Mr. technical.


(well, it has one but the reviews said it blew).

It's Airforce Delta Storm... The actually discontinued it here in the U.S. and started re-printing it sometime last year. I think they re-discontinued it again though.

I prefer a mix of both... Ace Combat is hardcore archady with a story and Airforce Delta (DC, Xbox, PS2) has more realistic handling even if its still far from realistic, you have you’re Flankers that turn on a dime at ~120Kmh and between angles 2 and 20 or so and heavy energy fighters are at home at ~angles 20... Its graphics are also sharper and more defined.

Anyhow, you can’t go wrong buying one of the games for only $20 and even $49 in AC5s case.
 
NRP said:
I can probably dig up the exact formulas from an old Gas Dynamics text if any one is curious.

You've got me interested. :oops: :)

Back on topic. I wish they made some Ace Combat games for the Xbox. I can't believe the Xbox doesn't have any Jet sims (well, it has one but the reviews said it blew).

Yeah, me too. :( The only airplane game I have (out of 27) is Crimson Skies. :rolleyes: (a decent game, but 1 out of 27??? )
 
^^ Good summary Mr. technical.
Hey, he asked :D

Alstrong:
I'll just give the simplified equation for the angle of a Mach wave (assuming ideal gas behavior, isentropic flow, blah, blah, blah) to illustrate the trend, because otherwise it gets really hairy (I assume you're not totally up to speed on the Navier-Stokes equations, partial derviatives, and line integrals - hell, I'm not either anymore). In reality, a whole bunch of oblique shock waves form during supersonic flow, but the Mach wave's angle is the limiting case for an oblique shock wave's angle so the trend is the same.

Mach angle (measured from horizontal) = arcsine (1/M).

As you can see, as the Mach number (M) goes up, the Mach angle gets smaller, thus the cone gets "steeper". If M = 1, the angle is 90 degrees and the shock wave is just beginning to form. So in the earlier picture posted by chrisrt2, the F-4 is just starting to go supersonic because the angle of the oblique shockwave is close to 90 degrees (from horizontal).
 
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