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[akira888]

People are willing to eat at Mickey Dee's Supper Club because it guarantees a certain level of consistent quality all over the world. Even though the average "level of satisfaction" might be lower than if alternatives were tried, people are willing to accept this since they privilege avoiding the worst case scenarios over bettering their average utility.

It's sort of works on the same priniciple as insurance. You lower your average utility in exchange for eliminating the probability of a catastrophic loss.

 

[Legion]

People are willing to eat at Mickey Dee's Supper Club because it guarantees a certain level of consistent quality all over the world. Even though the average "level of satisfaction" might be lower than if alternatives were tried, people are willing to accept this since they privilege avoiding the worst case scenarios over bettering their average utility.

It's sort of works on the same priniciple as insurance. You lower your average utility in exchange for eliminating the probability of a catastrophic loss.

why is hard for any of you to perceive people eat certain foods because they enjoy them? Sounds to me your own personal prejudices are influencing your reasoning.

 

[Willmeister]

We refer to McDonald's as 'Rotten Ronnie's' up here.

McDonald's magic formula: salt, sugar, and fat. The more processed a food, the more of those three items you need to make it taste like something other than cardboard. I still believe people are more addicted to the convenience of fast food as opposed to the food itself.

 

[Legion]

We refer to McDonald's as 'Rotten Ronnie's' up here.

Really, you all do? . IF that were so i'd say you people were fairly interested in some masochistic desire to consume digusting food. Perhaps you all are simply stupid?

McDonald's magic formula: salt, sugar, and fat.

Magic formula to sell food that people will eat by choice and enjoy?

The more processed a food, the more of those three items you need to make it taste like something other than cardboard.

I concur.

I still believe people are more addicted to the convenience of fast food as opposed to the food itself.

First i am glad you concede this is your belief and not fact. Secondly why would they choose McDonalds over all the other if that were the case? McDonals started as small as any other fast food business. It grew for various reasons. Could one of those be that people enjoyed the taste? Or is that simply too difficult for you to fathom.

You can also see over that over the decades certain fast food restaurants have done more well than others. In recent times McDonald's is on the decline. This may reflect a change in people's taste of a decrease in the taste of the product.

 

[Headstone]

I am aware there are Canadian musical artists Headstone...

A number of those you mentioned have moved to america and produce here.

Of the ones that I listed the only one currently residing in the US is Celine Dion.

Default + NB are in Vancouver
ST is in Switzerland
BA is in England
BNL are in Toronto

ST once lived in the US didn't she? Her music type is an american cultural type...

Dont know if she lived there but she did marry an American, Mutt Lange.
As to her music, the post production is what gives it the cultural sound. In Europe it is done differently to a more pop/dance style.

I'm not sure I'd put Nickelback or Default as examples of quality Canadian talent. Can't stand 'em. Rather uninspired for my taste.

Not that I think they are the best either. I am more partial to Blue Rodeo, Big Sugar, David Usher, old Northern Pikes etc.

 

[Headstone]

I forgot to add Sum41 to the list

 

[Humus]

Humus, that sounds quite supercilious. Not to be rude though, maybe people like that trash (trash being brittney spears, boy bands and so forth)... um music. But really, I beleive that it is 50/50 half is due to massive advertising, and half is due to people actually liking it. Remember most pop artists don't write their own music they have real musicians deal with the music and they just show their pretty face, and take the money.

I like sepultura (which is what? brazillian), op ivy, rancid, common rider, refused, metallica (and yes I do sorry), helmet, avenged sevenfold, 311, bad religion, nofx, primus, tool, rob zombie, tantric, offspring, Spawn soundtrack, buckethead, and more.

Many of those bands are on major labels, and some would call sellouts, but I still like their music, so that is really all that matters.

No, I understand that people like to listen to it. Obviously ads also play a role in what music people choose, but it's mostly that people like to listen to crap music (IMHO). The average pop/rock is so boring. It's the same thing over and over. Verse, chorus, verse, chorus, instrumental, chorus, end. And everything in 4/4, and one octave register and three or four chords in total used for the whole song. Basically.

Metal/classic/jazz etc typically is better, though there's crap to find there too. There's so much more effort going into the songs, and it has so much more artistic value in general. That doesn't make everyone enjoy it though, like not everyone thinks Monalisa is a particularly impressive piece of art.

 

[Humus]

Well, I don't think the american music is particularly large compared to the population.

Alright, but, why is this relevant? American artists sell quite well and more than likely american music industries are the largest in the world.

Just did a quick check on ginza.se to see the 20 top selling CD list, and of them 12 were Swedish, 4 brittish and 4 american.

The Top 20 for what? this month? This year? In Europe? World wide?

In terms of quantity who sells more records? Sweeden, UK, or America?

Nor do I think typical american music is very impressive,

Your opinion is noted.

but then I don't have very mainstream preferences either. I don't listen to the typical mainstream stuff without much artistic value, I'm more into metal/classic/jazz/etc where talent is more frequently occuring. The metal scene it dominated by scandinavian artists. For every 10 good scandinavian groups, there's typically 1 german, 1 dutch and 2 american.

This is also subjective.

Sometimes your replies are so fuzzy I don't know what you're arguing really. You kinda implied that since so many people listen to american music it speaks volumes about what music people want to hear. I argued that it's obviously the amount of american music available that makes more people listen to it, compared to say canadian or swedish music. It says nothing about what kind of music people would like to listen to unless you take the number of artists from each country into account, and then I don't think american music would rank especially high. Not over here anyway.

 

[Legion]

You kinda implied that since so many people listen to american music it speaks volumes about what music people want to hear.

Which is infact the truth. I am willing to wager more US records have been sold then records of most countries. This is probably true. American music is very popular around the world.

I have been arguing that its popularity is indicative of those whom like to listen to the music not some kind of corporate brainwashing.

I argued that it's obviously the amount of american music available that makes more people listen to it, compared to say canadian or swedish music.

And i argue to the counter; the reason why there is so much of it is because it is so popular.

It says nothing about what kind of music people would like to listen to unless you take the number of artists from each country into account, and then I don't think american music would rank especially high. Not over here anyway.

Actually it does infact say what kind of music people like listening to. American music wouldn't have had become popular, and on a more general level any type of music, without people's interest.

Yes you did state that and i asked you to supply some figures as to actual record sales. I also asked you to explain what the top 20 refered to. I have yet to see you provide either. I highly doubt Swedish and Canadian records sales are higher than American.


I noted your opinion and your subjective material so that you are aware i omitted them. They are entirely irrelevant.

 

[ByteMe]

This one time I might have to agree with the europeans. I'll take the soothing sounds of a group of scottish bagpipes over any of this American trash anyday.
















For the sarcasitic impaired... That was one big lie.

 

[Wunderchu]

I forgot to add Sum41 to the list

I was about to mention them too ..


here's some more Canadian artists:

Gob
Our Lady Peace
Treble Charger
The Tragically Hip
Shawn Desmond
David Foster
Nelly Furtado
Swollen Members
Diana Krall
Wave
Nelly
Alanis Morissette
Sarah Mclachlan
The Philosopher Kings
Natalie MacMaster
Paul Anka
Simple Plan
Default
Chantal Kreviazuk
Amanda Marshall
Joni Mitchell
Bif Naked
Neil Young
Prozzäk

 

[Sxotty]

Sum41=blah... well that is my opinion, it is kinda catchy poppunk, like no use for a name, lagwagon, and blink182. The difference being lagwagon, and no use for a name are both better.

 

[Clashman]

I was about to mention them too ..


here's some more Canadian artists:

Gob
Our Lady Peace
Treble Charger
The Tragically Hip
Shawn Desmond
David Foster
Nelly Furtado
Swollen Members
Diana Krall
Wave
Nelly
Alanis Morissette
Sarah Mclachlan
The Philosopher Kings
Natalie MacMaster
Paul Anka
Simple Plan

Any NoMeansNo fans in here?

 

[Humus]

Yes you did state that and i asked you to supply some figures as to actual record sales. I also asked you to explain what the top 20 refered to. I have yet to see you provide either. I highly doubt Swedish and Canadian records sales are higher than American.

It says "most sold records right now". It's not more specific than that, but so what, it shows pretty much what I thought it would, that american music isn't particularly popular here, and certainly not selling better than local produced music. Sweden is well-known for its music.

I'm not sure how you're calculating, but why would you even expect Swedish or canadian music to sell better in raw numbers than american when you produce probably 10 or 30 times as much music? If you place 30 McDonalds in a city and 1 Burger King, then of course McDonalds will sell better, but the Burger King would likely be more packed with people than any McDonalds. Even if there was a 50-50 split in preference you wouldn't see anywhere near 50-50 split in sales.

I noted your opinion and your subjective material so that you are aware i omitted them. They are entirely irrelevant.

Your material is entirely subjective too, and thus by your own conclusion irrelevant too.

Well, this whole discussion is irrelevant and off topic anyway.

 

[Legion]

It says "most sold records right now". It's not more specific than that, but so what, it shows pretty much what I thought it would, that american music isn't particularly popular here, and certainly not selling better than local produced music. Sweden is well-known for its music.

Then i will have to look into this. I find it hard to believe these 12 artists have sold more records then various US artists.

I'm not sure how you're calculating, but why would you even expect Swedish or canadian music to sell better in raw numbers than american when you produce probably 10 or 30 times as much music?

You mean to say "why would i expect them to produce as many when their industries are smaller?"

If you place 30 McDonalds in a city and 1 Burger King, then of course McDonalds will sell better,

Of course it would. But how would allow 30 McDonalds be able to be builty there in the first place? If McDonalds hadn't popularity it couldn't put 30 there to begin with. Where would the money come from?

situations happen like this all the time in the business world yet various companies are able to survive based on the value of their product. If business were as simplistic as this the economy would be based souly on monopolies which would represent every facet of the market.

but the Burger King would likely be more packed with people than any McDonalds. Even if there was a 50-50 split in preference you wouldn't see anywhere near 50-50 split in sales.

of course.

Your material is entirely subjective too, and thus by your own conclusion irrelevant too.

No actually its not. I am argue support by numbers sold. You having be mainly arguing your preference.

 

[ByteMe]

Sweden is well-known for its music.

Sweden in the states is mostly known for big breasted blond bimbos.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Alright, but, why is this relevant? American artists sell quite well and more than likely american music industries are the largest in the world.


Quote:
Just did a quick check on ginza.se to see the 20 top selling CD list, and of them 12 were Swedish, 4 brittish and 4 american.


The Top 20 for what? this month? This year? In Europe? World wide?

In terms of quantity who sells more records? Sweeden, UK, or America?

Well I'd be shocked if a country with 300 million people wasn't selling more records worldwide than a country with 10 million people.

While total worldwide sales of american music may be higher than swedish artists the facts demonstrate that they are not outselling native artists for the most part. ie British music sells better in Britain, Canadian music in Canada.

It's not a qualitative argument, its quantitative, there are more people in the US, therefore there is more music coming out of the US. Quality is subjective.

 

[Legion]

It's not a qualitative argument, its quantitative, there are more people in the US, therefore there is more music coming out of the US. Quality is subjective.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Swedish/Canadian artists aren't outsettling native artist in the US.

I never was making a qualitative argument. Everyone else has.

 

[Humus]

Then what is it you're arguing really?

 

[Legion]

Then what is it you're arguing really?

That the US' music industry is larger then that of Canadian industry.