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I almost feel sorry for those poor bastards.
I almost feel sorry for those poor bastards.
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Willmeister
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I agree with it.
You also have to remember this 'doom-and-gloom' was predicted when the government imposed a levy on recordable CDs years ago. Typical fear-mongering. In fact, there was an American group pushing for a similar levy in the USA. Unsurprisingly, the RIAA immediately moved in to poo-poo the idea.
As for music, the stuff coming out of Canada is much better than the crap the labels are pushing in the USA.
You also have to remember this 'doom-and-gloom' was predicted when the government imposed a levy on recordable CDs years ago. Typical fear-mongering. In fact, there was an American group pushing for a similar levy in the USA. Unsurprisingly, the RIAA immediately moved in to poo-poo the idea.
As for music, the stuff coming out of Canada is much better than the crap the labels are pushing in the USA.
Clashman said:
And we all know your words are a complete extrapolation of what i stated.
Legion said:
I said satisfaction. I am not stating the music is superior quality. That, in nature, is subjective. However, the fact more people listen to American musical talent speaks volumes about who they want to hear and the types of music they enjoy listening to.
Willmeister on the other hand is making a subjective argument.
Clashman, why would people listen to Brittney Spears if they felt she was without talent? Who are her audience? I'd imagine mainly young teenage females.
Clashman why would people eat at McDonald's if they found their food disgusting?
make sure you have an argument of a little more substance before you jump on some one next time Clashman.
People listen to corporate rock because corporate rock controls the airwaves. Both Radio and Television. People don't have any other choices to listen to unless they go out and actively seek them out. MTV acts as filler. It provides something for people to listen to for those without the time and patience to seek out quality music.
McDonalds serves a similar function. They, (and the rest of the fast-food and chain restaurants like them), have a virtual monopoly on advertising and mass prescence. People seeking alternatives have to actively seek them out, which they do not have to do for McDonalds. And so McDonalds also acts as filler, by providing something for people to eat for those without the time, (damn these short lunchbreaks), patience, or cash to seek out something quality. Although admittedly I believe independant restaurants have it better than independent musical artists, in part because having your own shop does give you a constant visual prescence in the neighborhood you are in, even if you can't afford to buy name recognition through advertising.
McDonalds serves a similar function. They, (and the rest of the fast-food and chain restaurants like them), have a virtual monopoly on advertising and mass prescence. People seeking alternatives have to actively seek them out, which they do not have to do for McDonalds. And so McDonalds also acts as filler, by providing something for people to eat for those without the time, (damn these short lunchbreaks), patience, or cash to seek out something quality. Although admittedly I believe independant restaurants have it better than independent musical artists, in part because having your own shop does give you a constant visual prescence in the neighborhood you are in, even if you can't afford to buy name recognition through advertising.
Legion said:
And you have the sales to prove satisfaction correct? Or is this a lame attempt at nationalism inspite of reality?
How do you push labels? People buy what music they like.
Not that they are the best but:
- Bryan Adams
- Celine Dion
- Shania Twain
- Rush
- Barenaked Ladies
- Nickelback
- Default
...
Clashman said:
There are plenty of FM channels to listen that play wide varieties of music. There are plenty of ways for one to get ahold of music including internet sources. People don't buy music cds clashman if they don't like the music. They aren't being forced to listen to the music at all. If they didn't like it they could easily turn the radio off or to a different channel.
You make it seem so terribly they have to seek out the music they like. Of course what is more popular will be played more often on more channels. The reason why it is played is because it is popular not because the Record Companies are forcing radio stations to play the music. Whether its "corporate", or "underground" has little to do with the fact that people buy a great deal of albums from American artists. A valid reason why certain groups moved from "garage" to "corporate" is do to their recognizable talent.
Where does your notion of reverse supply and demand come from?
Why do you think 80's cultural music isn't played on many channels anymore? Why do you think there has been a tansition between Rock to Rap? Do you think that people's interests in music change with time or do you think these cultural schizms are caused souly by mental manipulation by record industries? The the later were true i'd imagine they'd never have had a group who's records sell poorly.
Likewise, if the later were true, wouldn't it apply to music industries from other countries as well?
People eat at McDonalds because of media brainwashing...Clashman there are plenty of fastfood restaraunts around the globe which actively compete with McDonalds. There are plenty of varieties of different foods people could eat. Again, they wouldn't eat McDonald's Food if they found it disgusting Clashman; supply and demand.
There are plenty of different places they could acquire fast food. They wouldn't bother with McDonalds if they found their food to be disgusting. That should come as common sense.
Legion said:
Sheer size may be another reason. 10 times the population would naturally produce 10 times as many artists given equal opportunities. So if people listen a lot to american music that's not a surprice.
And if I may throw in my nationalistic 0.02 SEK into the discussion, on a per capita level Scandinavia kicks the US, Canada and Euro collective music asses by a long shot. So, there you go.
Legion said:
Seriously, where do you live that has such great musical diversity on the airwaves? Or do you consider "wide varieties of music" to be the one station that plays Shakira whilst another plays Limp Biscuit? People buy CD's because they heard a song on the radio or saw a video on MTV. If you can't get on a Clear Channel radio station or on MTV, your music is not going to be widely circulated, and you aren't going to be putting out double platinum albums. Napster and Audiogalaxy were one of the main ways to circumvent this, and sales of independent music are up significantly as a result of them.
No, in fact record companies do go along ways to ensure that their music is played on the major media sources.
Yeah, I'm sure McDonalds spends millions a year on advertising because it has no effect on people eating their McCrap.
Notice I included the rest of the fast food and chain restauraunts in the same category.
Advertising exists to create demand where there was none before. People tolerate McDonalds, (and Hardees, Burger King, etc) because it's fast and cheap and (like the more "upscale" Perkins, Olive Gardens, etc), it's all most people know.
Earth, where do you live?
In Ohio we have stations AM/FM that play classical, Latin (rock and salsa), Rap, R&B, Jazz, Rock, Rap, 80s, Easy Listening, Metal, Ethnic, Country, New Age so on and so forth. The reason why these stations stay around is that they play music people listen to. Supply and Demand.
I'd imagine Clashman, unless you live in Communist China, if you'd bother to change the radio stations a bit more you'd notice the wide varieties of music played within your own state.
Just out of Curiousity, where do you live that your notion of reverse capitalism applies?
Yeah....because they liked the music...Or maybe it was MTV planting a sublimal message into their brains...
MTV, MTV2, and VH1 do interview and play music from many artists not just corporate ones.
Duh, advertisement. The lack of advertisement may also be do to lack of talent
.Maybe they'd be better off putting their money into better advertising
. Clashman, this doesn't reflect people's interest in corporate Music. They could just as easily still enjoy "corporate" music just as much as"independant" titles if not more so.
This is called competition between other record companies. They aren't forcing you to do anything. So yes, i am correct.Clashman if everyone thought their food was disgusting why would they eat it and not an alternative?
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Clashman....Why would they eat the food if they found it disgusting....?No, Advertising exists to establish the product. Demand reflect's people's interest. If no one wanted the product it wouldn't make a difference how much advertising the corporation committed toward selling the product (ala N-Gage).
......Clashman answer the question: If no one liked the food why would they eat it over the competition's food?
Legion said:
Well, I don't think the american music is particularly large compared to the population. Just did a quick check on ginza.se to see the 20 top selling CD list, and of them 12 were Swedish, 4 brittish and 4 american. Nor do I think typical american music is very impressive, but then I don't have very mainstream preferences either. I don't listen to the typical mainstream stuff without much artistic value, I'm more into metal/classic/jazz/etc where talent is more frequently occuring. The metal scene it dominated by scandinavian artists. For every 10 good scandinavian groups, there's typically 1 german, 1 dutch and 2 american.
Willmeister
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Labels push the flavour-du-jour because it's less risky. That's why smaller labels usually have better talent. Artists can take more risks.
I'm not sure I'd put Nickelback or Default as examples of quality Canadian talent. Can't stand 'em. Rather uninspired for my taste.
I'm not sure I'd put Nickelback or Default as examples of quality Canadian talent. Can't stand 'em. Rather uninspired for my taste.
Humus said:
Humus, that sounds quite supercilious. Not to be rude though, maybe people like that trash (trash being brittney spears, boy bands and so forth)... um music. But really, I beleive that it is 50/50 half is due to massive advertising, and half is due to people actually liking it. Remember most pop artists don't write their own music they have real musicians deal with the music and they just show their pretty face, and take the money.
I like sepultura (which is what? brazillian), op ivy, rancid, common rider, refused, metallica (and yes I do sorry), helmet, avenged sevenfold, 311, bad religion, nofx, primus, tool, rob zombie, tantric, offspring, Spawn soundtrack, buckethead, and more.
Many of those bands are on major labels, and some would call sellouts, but I still like their music, so that is really all that matters.
Alright, but, why is this relevant? American artists sell quite well and more than likely american music industries are the largest in the world.
The Top 20 for what? this month? This year? In Europe? World wide?
In terms of quantity who sells more records? Sweeden, UK, or America?
Your opinion is noted.
This is also subjective.
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