HD-DVD on xbox360 bad?

[jvd]

Man, that's going to suck if HD-DVD becomes the defacto standard for the next 10 years seeing as how they are limited to 1080i media. Sure a play back device might be able to upscale it to 1080p or beyond but if physically the limitation (due to disc structure) is only 1080i.

Why ? Just go to a tri layer hd-dvd disc . 45 gigs should be enough for 1080p . Anyway dvd with 480p has been doing fine for the last 7-8 years disipte 720p tv sets being on sale for 4-5 of those years

By the time 1080p is adopted in mass numbers we will be moving on from hd-dvd and bluray and onto something much better like the holographic disc

 

[jvd]

What MS should do is offer a standard DVD drive 360 for the normal price, and offer both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray equipped 360's for $50 more. As long as the games are on DVD, it shouldn't matter what drive a person gets.

This is pointless for ms . Once they have 360's with dvd drives on the market hd-dvd gives no gain other htan movie playback . So they would have to profit on these systems and I don't see 50$ making them profit on it. Mabye a 100$ -150$ more on the system

 

[jvd]

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If ms goes with hd-dvd toshiba will have a huge platform out this holiday season to go hand in hand with the launching of hd-dvd in the states .
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Well, this is true only IF the HD-DVD spec gets done really soon. BTW, the DVD Forum just approved the HD-DVD ROM 0.9 spec (not even 1.0). And the AACS spec is not finalized yet.

Why is this an issue, if Toshiba is willing to sell the drives cheap? Because without the spec done, there won't be a decoder/AACS chip to put into those drives.

The same issue is present for BD, which is also a risk for Sony/PS3. But as someone said, they can ship PS3 without BD movie capability... Sony cannot sit aside on PS3/BD like Microsoft can on X360/HD-DVD because Sony has invested too much on BD.

Hong.

Toshiba wants to launch hd-dvd this year . They are ramping up production and amassing titles for production . It will launch this year so I see no reason why they sholdn't be ready wit hthe specs

 

[PC-Engine]

Man, that's going to suck if HD-DVD becomes the defacto standard for the next 10 years seeing as how they are limited to 1080i media. Sure a play back device might be able to upscale it to 1080p or beyond but if physically the limitation (due to disc structure) is only 1080i.

Please stop spreading wrong information.

 

[jvd]

Who wouldn't want to take a loss to control a market of this size

and it will only increase

By next year, the studios will derive more revenue from DVD ssales than they will from all other sources: theatrical, rentals, and other.

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/07/dvd_sales_slowi.html

 

[scooby_dooby]

holywood made 30% of their revenue from DVD sales in 1996!?!

That doesn't seem right...

 

[jvd]

holywood made 30% of their revenue from DVD sales in 1996!?!

That doesn't seem right...

Well some things to remember . Dvd sales were not as high but in 96 the average price of a dvd was 25 today its only 10 .

http://www.leesmovieinfo.net/Video-Sales.php?type=3&week_id=144&limit=54

anyway

look at 2004 shrek 2 moved 18.2 million units and made 316 million . Shrek 2's gross was 920m world wide .

Then there are movies (and this is from a movie magazine not from the internet ) like gigli which made 14m in dvd sales and only grossed 7m

 

[a688]

The reason I say Toshiba will lose money (to answer a688) is because if MS will want to keep costs down, they should conceivably want to pay close to cost for those drives. What cost is, none of us know. But is it gonna be beans? I don't expect any next-gen drive to be a cost-leader on a platform. But that's based on in-house cost. Vendors generally try selling drives at a markup in order to not lose money on the deal. How cheap can Toshiba sell it without dipping into the red?

Companies sell at a markup to MAKE money, not break even. If you sell something for cost then you sell it for the same amout it took you to make it (including material, assembly, people, etc). If Toshiba sells the drives at cost to MS then they DON'T LOSE ANY MONEY plain and simple.

 

[hongcho]

Man, that's going to suck if HD-DVD becomes the defacto standard for the next 10 years seeing as how they are limited to 1080i media. Sure a play back device might be able to upscale it to 1080p or beyond but if physically the limitation (due to disc structure) is only 1080i.

Sorry, but this is not correct at all. There is nothing to connect between the physical disk structure and the resolution of the video. The physical structure just hold whatever data is thrown on.

The 1080i limitation is that for Toshiba's _initial_ HD-DVD players, Toshiba announced that they will not _output_ in 1080p, only in 1080i. That is, even if the video itself is encoded in 1080p, the output will transform it to an interlaced format. As for other HD-DVD player manufacturers or for the later players (and especially for players that will run on PCs), 1080p output should be no problem (only over HDMI or DVI/HDCP, though).

As far as the actual video format, 1080p is there in the HD-DVD (and BD) specification. There is nothing to link the physical structure to the resolution format of the video. Maybe to the bitrate and the total length of the content, but not to the format.

Hong.

 

[hongcho]

Toshiba wants to launch hd-dvd this year . They are ramping up production and amassing titles for production . It will launch this year so I see no reason why they sholdn't be ready wit hthe specs

I agree that Toshiba may want to launch HD-DVD this year and that it has a great influence on the HD-DVD standardization process. However, there are 19 other Steering Committee members on the DVD Forum who vote on these things. And these standard bodies take times to settle things to everyone's content.

Even if Toshiba could push the process through the DVD Forum, unfortuntely it does not have that kind of power in the AACS process. And this content protection thing is such a sentive and intricate issue for the content owners (that is, movie studios)...

So, a chipset maker such as Sigma Designs cannot tape out their chips, mass-produce them, and sell them to their player maker customers unless all the specifications are finalized. The same would be true for software-based players.

Although both the BD and the HD-DVD camps have been saying for (more close to shooting for) the end of 2005, most people involved in the process do not believe that it will actually happen in that time frame. It will be more like the first half (or the first quarter if possible) of 2005.

Hong.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

Companies sell at a markup to MAKE money, not break even. If you sell something for cost then you sell it for the same amout it took you to make it (including material, assembly, people, etc). If Toshiba sells the drives at cost to MS then they DON'T LOSE ANY MONEY plain and simple.

Selling at cost doesn't factor the shipment/distro of product outside the company. But the word "cost" can mean a million things, depending on what you're looking at. I don't want to debate semantics. I think it's clear what I was getting at. If not, we'll just wait until TGS before I bother following up on this. It's a pipedream IMO. PEACE.

 

[overclocked]

Replying to many in the thread BR HAS HD-DVD in it.

Second Actually HD.content or not i sure would want a ONE BR.DISC for my LOTR-EXT-VERSION.

 

[PC-Engine]

Replying to many in the thread BR HAS HD-DVD in it.

Second Actually HD.content or not i sure would want a ONE BR.DISC for my LOTR-EXT-VERSION.

LOTR is unlikely to be released on BR.

 

[jvd]

Replying to many in the thread BR HAS HD-DVD in it.

Second Actually HD.content or not i sure would want a ONE BR.DISC for my LOTR-EXT-VERSION.

the hd-dvd disc structure and reading mechnizem (Sp?) is owned and patented by toshiba . So bluray will never play hd-dvd discs unless toshiba allows it .

Anyway lotr will be on hd-dvd not bluray

 

[rabidrabbit]

LOTR is unlikely to be released on BR.

Why, have they commited themselves 100% to HD-DVD? Even if BR were to become the more popular format, would they still keep LOTR on HD-DVD only?
I really don't know, as I've not really followed the proceedings recently. That's why I'm asking.
Have some studios announced being "100% exclusive" to a format?

 

[pso]

Why, have they commited themselves 100% to HD-DVD? Even if BR were to become the more popular format, would they still keep LOTR on HD-DVD only?
I really don't know, as I've not really followed the proceedings recently. That's why I'm asking.
Have some studios announced being "100% exclusive" to a format?

According to this article, yes:

"HD-DVD is backed by Time Warner (Warner Bros. and New Line), Universal, and Paramount"

Also, check out how many excellent movies are coming to HD-DVD.

http://www.dvdtown.com/article/hd-dvdupdateandlistoftitles/1582/

 

[jvd]

Yes hd-dvd will have to die for them to jump it looks like Those lotr fans will have to go hd-dvd

 

[rabidrabbit]

Yes, but are all those studios exclusively committed to a format?
What I've seen have just been announcements to "commit to releasing high-definition movies by the end of this year" or something to that effect.

Just because they have announced support only for the other format, doesn't necessarily mean they aren't prepared to release also for the other, in case there will be enough Blu-Ray players at homes.
I think it would be silly from studios to put their eggs to one basket, and just ignore a large potential market just because they "have announced support" for a format.
It wouldn't need a format to completely "die" for studios to broaden their support, a large enough market would be enough.
Warner etc. have little at stake in the HD technology itself, so I don't see why they would keep on holding to a format, unlike Sony with their movie studios.

 

[PC-Engine]

I'll just rephrase the original statement:


LOTR on BR is merely wishful thinking...

 

[rabidrabbit]

Based on what facts? The fact that Warner has "committed to bring HD-DVD movies by the end of the year?" while at the same time being sceptical about BR (cost, manufacturing...)

Will LOTR be among those films that come by the end of the year?
Has HD-DVD LOTR release date been announced? Isn't that also whishful thinking if it has not?
When will LOTR be released on HD-DVD? Next year?... when there will be a lot of BR format PS3:s at homes, and relatively few HD-DVD players?