Has the console forum been axed?

[Saem]

Let's leave any personal stuff in PMs -- PC-engine and Ty.

I think making a list of all people who browse the console forum and are a professional in the field should be given modding rights. So people like, Gubbi, DeanoC, Faf, nAo, MfA and so on whatever they browsed could just hit delete. They wouldn't have to scour every topic, but I'm guessing they read a fair bit and it wouldn't be hard for them to just click the little delete button if they read some garbage. These in addition to jvd and sonic could put a real dent into the crap that gets posted.

When there are those lame threads like, "why was my post deleted?", just blow them away.

Completely ignore and shutup the noise. The vast majority of the time people know they're being idiots enough beatings and they'll learn that such behaviour isn't tolerated here.

At the end of the day, whether one wishes to admit it, the console forum attracted a rather significant technical crowd one that's hard to compare to, even within this website or over the internet.

 

[V3]

Let console forum stays dead anyway. Its kinda redundant.

PS3 tech discussion probably can go under Unix3D forum, since its a Linux base platform. This way it will split from hundreds of PR thread that pops up.

 

[Ty]

Let's leave any personal stuff in PMs -- PC-engine and Ty.

That would have been fine by me. I didn't start this silly Q & A with him.

 

[Apoc]

That may not be true at all

This year in pcs we have

dual core cpus
cross fire with 3 gpus
ppus
dedicated sound hardware

large amounts of system ram and dedicated video ram and dedicated sound ram .

Things may be very diffrent this gen

Possibly, but none of this hardware is put to work like a console hardware. We will drool over console graphics for over a year or two. Heck, i still drool over xbox graphics sometimes.

That's is why pc-hardware is every day less interesting. Because of the compatibility with older hardware. What a new graphic card provide in the end (in spite of having lots of new features) is the ability to up the resolution one or two notchs more or new modes of AA/AF. That's is plain frustrating (talking about pc gaming, of course) for people who spend 500$ or more to have the best of the bests, and that's why lots of them are waiting anxiously new consoles, because they know they will be put to use.



Sorry about my bad english, it's not my first language.

 

[Phil]

a few thoughts on the topic of moderation and quality enforcement methods to think about...

It was about time something is done about console discussion. The console discussion forum had many issues - issues you can't just solve by closing topics left right and center and cleaning posts by editing them. When there are rules, they should be enforced and if there are certain members that are not willing to obey, they should be banned (or have their posting priviledges taken away).

This is a bulletinboard - these administration functions exist. Why and why again the moderation staff of beyond3d did not enforce such methods is beyond any type of comprehension - the place was damned to fall like this in time. Moderation is a tough job to handle - if the time/effort/nerves aren't there to handle it properly, others that can should take over.

At the end of the day, it's a shame that all those that tried are confronted with the same faith as those that are ultimately responsible for its downfall.

If the console discussion board ever comes back - make sure you guys (Dave B., Neeiyk (?sp)) do it right with *proper moderation and quality control - the kind that is ultimately keeping quality up in all the other b3d boards. If you and the selected moderators are not willing to take these measures, the forum will meet the same faith again and again and again.

Ultimately, the quality of a board is defined by its members - but it's also largely defined by the rules and quality enforcement methods (moderation). Either do it right or not at all.

As it stands, *proper moderator was not done in console discussion and I ultimately direct my blame at the moderation staff for not doing it right.




* Proper moderation and quality enforcement doesn't mean cleaning out the same dirt [ editing posts, deleting them, closing topics ] over and over again - it means dealing with the problem at hand, which may include taking posting privileges away from those that do not obey by the rules that are there to ensure quality.

 

[London Geezer]

Seeing how similar next generation GPUs are to PC parts, and considering they're from ATI and NVIDIA, i see no reason why people shouldn't have posted about them on the normal 3D Tech forum.

While the next gen CPUs can very well find a place where everyone else posts stuff about PC CPUs - normally the Hardware Forum or whatever it's called.

That would leave many kids out of the discussions cause:

1) in the 3D Tech forum they would get mauled proper by the usual posters there. The mature (see: old) crowd seem to prefer that and it will be hard for kids to shit all over it any more than the older ones are already doing - in a different way obviously.

2) the Hardware Forum is very tech oriented, not something the kids like playing in.

Any stupid thread would get deleted at once. Zero tolerance needed to handle the immigrants at first, then things will be back to normal.

Then when we get tired of the mixture of console and PC tech on the same forums, which i expect will get messy eventually, a Console Tech might be considered to clean up the 3D Tech forum. Again, zero tolerance.

 

[_leech_]

So, for the time being, where can we post console stuff? :?

 

[jvd]

So, for the time being, where can we post console stuff? :?

No where

 

[-tkf-]

I will be bold and say that the failure to ban PC-ENGINE clearly showed that the moderation didn't work to the extent it was supposed to.

 

[London Geezer]

If people feel the "info" they have would fit into those 2 forums, i see no reason why they shouldn't post them there.

The "games" forum would accommodate games threads.

3D Tech would accommodate TECHNOLOGY threads on either RSX or C1.

Hardware Talk could accommodate TECHNOLOGY threads on Cell and Xenon (or Xenos or whatever they called the X360 CPU).

No bitching contests (well, not any more than we already see on there anyway), only technical posts like we're used to in those 2 forums.

 

[jvd]

As it stands, *proper moderator was not done in console discussion and I ultimately direct my blame at the moderation staff for not doing it right.

Don't blame people for things beyond thier control. The mods of the forum did what was in thier power . Which was deleting , editing and locking posts . That is as far as thier power went .

There have been countless threads on this .

This was the problem .Because the trolls new that the mods didn't have the power to really stop them .

evo something did this to me the other day . He posted huge pics that messed up the spacing . I edited the posts and put them as urls and told him in the message why I did it in big bold / italic letters . So what happens a few mins later . The post is back the way it was because he edited the post again to the way he wanted it .

Don't blame the poor mods for the fault of the software avalible to them .

This is what really bothers me . People here who don't know the situation and then the trolls posting in these topics telling us how things should be when clearly these ideas have come up many times before over the last year .

Looking at this thread there are many people who should have been banned that are here posting and bitching about the console forum being gone .

 

[London Geezer]

jvd, you don't have to explain yourself to people who obviously do not understand how the whole thing worked.

Think about it, what kind of job would they have done if they were in you position.

All the noise to be cut down, people expecting reasons everytime you cut something down, different time zones, people complaining. And no power to just ban the very few mosquitos roaming around.

You've done everything you could have done, but it was you and Sonic against sometimes tens of little kids posting crap.

Dont mind them, i'm sure people with a brain will understand how hard it was for you and Sonic, considering the powers you had.

End of story, don't let them drag you down.

 

[-tkf-]

Don't blame people for things beyond thier control. The mods of the forum did what was in thier power . Which was deleting , editing and locking posts . That is as far as thier power went .

For what it's worth i think you tried hard but i guess the power that be didn't want to supply you and the other mods with the needed tools.

 

[Sonic]

Phil, moderators do not have the capability of banning or taking away posting privileges of a poster. I wold have thought you would have known that by now if you had actually read this thread. There is only so muc editing, deleting, and locking of threads one can do until they have to go about their day. jvd and I were fine up until the point where it was too much for us to handle. Please do not place the blame directly on us when we needed more mods to help with the increase in members since E3 and even before that. When the increase in activity goes up there should be an increase in moderators also.

There were people we requested to be banned that weren't. It didn't always happen the way we thought it would.

 

[jvd]

Sonic you did a great job holding up the times I wasn't here. When it was good it was real good . We knew the trolls and we could controll them . Then it got bad and we had new trolls each day

 

[Sonic]

Just let us ban the people who cause the trouble and there wouldn't be so much modding needed. It comes to a point where at least 10 people can be banned and the forum would go back to a state of peace.

 

[jvd]

Hmm I have a list of about 18 people . I think we had a list of like 8 that we agreed on . Mabye it was 7

 

[jonnyp]

Just let us ban the people who cause the trouble and there wouldn't be so much modding needed. It comes to a point where at least 10 people can be banned and the forum would go back to a state of peace.

I was just about to say that. That would be the easiest and best way to deal with it.

 

[PC-Engine]

I will be bold and say that the failure to ban PC-ENGINE clearly showed that the moderation didn't work to the extent it was supposed to.

Yeah because you can't take SONY criticism?

 

[Farid]

I will be bold and say that the failure to ban PC-ENGINE clearly showed that the moderation didn't work to the extent it was supposed to.

Yeah because you can't take SONY criticism?

Honestly, and I already stated it, criticism, or devil's advocating, is welcome in a discussion. It creates interest and therefore more ideas are exchanged. The problem only resides in the attitude and the little jabs (A.k.a. Trolls).

An hostile or mocking premise could, never, translate into an interesting debate. My 2 cents €.