GamePro Hands-on with 360: Halo 1/2 confirmed BC
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mckmas8808
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PARANOiA said:
Perhaps they have paid for it with future impletations in mind. Maybe that's in the contract.
randycat99
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Similarly, perhaps it is a given that Nv will be in it for the long haul with Sony.
mckmas8808
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PARANOiA said:
You're right they are smart enough. But if they did leave this stone unturn then expect the PS4's BC to be teh doom3d!!11 I hope Ken put time into this I mean it looks like he has so far.
"I find it fascinating that Sony knew this but chose to go the NV route this gen. This seems to limit them with the PS4's graphics chip, doesn't it?"
Umm, they had no choice. Japanese tech has fallen far, far behind the west in GPU's.
I mean what would they do, have Toshiba design it? MS would laugh all the way to the bank if they had done that.
Umm, they had no choice. Japanese tech has fallen far, far behind the west in GPU's.
I mean what would they do, have Toshiba design it? MS would laugh all the way to the bank if they had done that.
Bill said:
Actually wasnt there talk about Sony having Toshiba develop a specific purpose GPU to do tasks that the Cell couldnt do or needed help doing? (Obviously changed now) This was back when talk about the PS3 and Cell involvment first began? Thought I remember reading something a long time ago but I could be wrong if it was Toshiba or another partner.
Im sure Sony figured with the power of Cell that they could emulate the last generations of games. MS is in a different scenerio with NV and their contract with them. Although possible to emulate previous gen games, I definately see the reason why MS would only choose specific titles.
And if you dug up PR about MS and nVidia, do you think you'd find statements about future collaboration? That's quite possible. I think the real question is whether Sony is dedicated to working with nVidia. It's already more than painfully clear that nVidia is begging to be let in on any project. And that dedication can only be shown over time, IMO. No PR will suffice.Acert93 said:
On the topic, I'm really surprised that no one has brought up that even if the HDDs were installed months ago, MS can have an update to the code at launch day. So the list of games that work for sure out of the box may be smaller than the ones that work day one.
HDD (or firmware) will store the list for BC-verified titles which can be updated only by MS, so you can't test the emulator's compatibility itself by running some random games on it as they are rejected before actual execution if they didn't mean other things by 'it choked them'.
There's always these daft PR soundbites where companies working together say how strong and pwerful their collaborations will be. But I certainly got a sense of more real meaning from nVidia's talk. They were saying they worked with other companies, but shared an ideology with Sony and Cell. Sony's agreement with nVidia is looking at using nVidia tech in other devices IIRC. Suggests to me that Sony have decided upon nVidia for their long-term graphics partner. They're not going to want to keep switching GPU architecures between Cell products as that's a pain in the arse for cross-Cell-plaform development.Inane_Dork said:
Potentially, but with a warehouse full of 2 million boxed and packaged consoles how realistic is it for MS to unpackage each of them, update the software on HDD, and repackage? More likely there will be a software update on day 1 for download if there is any update to be had. Unless that's what you meant and I'm preaching ot the converted!
mckmas8808 said:
15 is not 1% of about 7000, which is the estimated total number of PS1 games available. It's more like 0.2142%. Which means PS2 has a 99.7857% functional backward comptatibility.
So yes, it's 100%.Still, as Qroach said, PS3 won't have a PS2 inside so having the same percentage this time around will be near impossible.
Though we don't know how much of a PS2's vitals it will have. The tricky bits might be done in hardware leaving the easy software emulation of bits on Cell. How can anyone know how hard or easy PS3's BC will be when we don't know what level of hardware support for PS2 will be in there?london-boy said:
Shifty Geezer said:
Well, "we dont know" so all we can do is speculate.
I think the vast majority of us doesn't expect PS3 to have any PS2 hardware inside. Some think it might have either the EE or the GS. Some think it will have both.
Obviously we'll have to wait and see, but personally i don't think having 99.78% BC with PS2 is in such high demand to make Sony go all out and put a PS2 inside PS3.
Having a selection of the biggest games on PS2 will be enough.
Problem is, they already said they want PS3 to play close to 10.000 games (PS1 and PS2) through BC... We'll see.
Qroach said:
This is not true. There isn't a full PS1 in PS2, which is why your whole argument as to why PS3 won't have an equal percentage of backwards-compatibility right out of the box as PS2 is inadequate. This has already been discussed. Fafalada or ShootMyMonkey (I think) has commented on the problems of emulators and why there are games that despite full emulation don't work perfectly.
As long as we don't know what of PS2 is going to end up in PS3, no one is really in the positions to make any claims. Fact is though: Sony claims to be backwards compatible with 13'000 titles on day one - as to what percentage that relates to isn't really the point. Expect just about every big hitter to be compatible and a selective few not to be. Given this claim and no supporting evidence on your side, I really don't see why we have any reason to doubt anything.
Well we can play semantics here and say there isn't a "full" PS1 in every PS2.
Fact remains that when you have the CPU+GPU of PS1 in PS2, whether that's the "full" PS1 or not, it doesn't matter. It's all that's needed to get near-perfect BC, which is the point here.
We most likely won't get PS2's EE+GS in every PS3. If we do, good for us, if we don't, and we have no reason to believe this won't be the case since Sony never said PS3 will have EE+GS inside, then BC most likely will not be as good as it was on PS2.
Fact remains that when you have the CPU+GPU of PS1 in PS2, whether that's the "full" PS1 or not, it doesn't matter. It's all that's needed to get near-perfect BC, which is the point here.
We most likely won't get PS2's EE+GS in every PS3. If we do, good for us, if we don't, and we have no reason to believe this won't be the case since Sony never said PS3 will have EE+GS inside, then BC most likely will not be as good as it was on PS2.