9800X3D releases Nov 7th, review embargo on Nov 6th
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It's kind of a problem for scheduling which is why the 7800X3D is (was) the fastest CPU for gaming. Rumor has it the 9950X3D will have vcache on both CCDs. If so it could still turn out to be slower than the 9800X3D in games since it still has to schedule across two CCDs but at least it won't have the problem of some things running faster on CCD0 and other things faster on CCD1.
Also is the thing about Zen5 having worse inter CCD latency real? I recall seeing some latency testing showing significantly worse results on the 9950X vs the 7950X. But this was before the Windows updates.
I missed the boat on the 3D cache chips, and I’m still stuck with an old AM4 board. Did the 5800x3D operate like the 7800x3d or the 9800x3d?
It’s quite cheap, 239 Canadian, it offers decent upgrades over my 3900x. But I dunno if I should bother and just wait until this console generation is over before buying an all new setup.
It’s quite cheap, 239 Canadian, it offers decent upgrades over my 3900x. But I dunno if I should bother and just wait until this console generation is over before buying an all new setup.
I dont see the 5800X3D listed on Newegg any more. The 5700X3D is available for $230 with a free 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4-3200 kit. I mean holy crap that's a nice deal.
The 5700X3D demolishes the 3900X in games. Totally worth it IMO, even if you end up building a new rig in a couple years.
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Seems like a no brainer to me. It will keep your current platform relevent for the rest of the console generation with a simple CPU swap. It basically brings you on par with my much newer platform (13600K) in games and uses way less power. 5700X3D/5800X3D makes AM4 the most legendary socket of all time IMO.
Sold!
How much and what type of memory you got?
DDR4. Nothing special, crucial 32+16GB I think. Was thinking about pushing it to 64GB by tossing my 16GB pair but I’m don’t do so much AI work anymore lately. Not really thinking I need so much.
So far everything is above 60. But I can see benchmark wise the 3900x can be at times very behind in gaming. But in working benchmarks it’s quite ahead.
Does the system do a good job of keeping stuff that should be fast on the 32GB that is interleaved? I don't know how 32x16x16 impacts gaming performance.
Yea. I can rip out the 16GB. Might be a good idea.
So wouldn't you be better waiting until something you play runs badly and then using that money for a future am5 system ?
question : if you owned a car that did 170mph and they brought out the new 2024 model and it did 210mph would you upgrade ?
ps: I think he has 2x16gb + 2x8gb
I thought about it. Yea. The 9800x3d made me wonder if I should just move to an all new system. Or just keep things as is. I haven’t tried anything heavily taxing yet, I’m not yet sure if my 3900x is a bottleneck.
I’m just wondering if I’m getting the full amount out of my 3070.
The alternative is to get the 9800x3d bundle.
Like this
Or as you say; wait until next generation of consoles then buy in as this setup should be sufficient.
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I'm just wondering outside of benchmarks and having an fps counter on screen is it going to be something you notice?
ps: I wouldn't use that store, they are racist
I generally have 2 rules of thumb when upgrading cpu's although I realise rule 1 may no longer be viable
I always try to go double and i upgrade when something i play runs slow or not at all
example: i was happy with my core 2 quad but then games came out that required sse 4.2 (gta 5) which it didn't have hence I upgraded to an i5
ps: I wouldn't use that store, they are racist
I generally have 2 rules of thumb when upgrading cpu's although I realise rule 1 may no longer be viable
I always try to go double and i upgrade when something i play runs slow or not at all
example: i was happy with my core 2 quad but then games came out that required sse 4.2 (gta 5) which it didn't have hence I upgraded to an i5
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lol. I didn’t know they were that protective. I guess that sort of makes sense.I'm just wondering outside of benchmarks and having an fps counter on screen is it going to be something you notice?
ps: I wouldn't use that store, they are racist
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I generally have 2 rules of thumb when upgrading cpu's although I realise rule 1 may no longer be viable
I always try to go double and i upgrade when something i play runs slow or not at all
example: i was happy with my core 2 quad but then games came out that required sse 4.2 (gta 5) which it didn't have hence I upgraded to an i5
Yea. I should try out a couple of next gen titles; like hellblade and cyberpunk. If it’s not enough, yea maybe I’ll just do the double.
I can definitely push some bottlenecking to the CPU when I'm aiming for 120fps. But the resolution I play at, 3440x1440 is punishing the 3070, so most the bottleneck is still on that. It can barely hold 60fps at ultra settings with DLSS enabled.
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It was, but AMD reportedly released new microcodes which fixed the problem. According to this article on Tom's hardware
AMD microcode improves cross-CCD latency on Ryzen 9000 CPUs — Ryzen 9 9900X and Ryzen 9 9950X cross-CCD latency cut in half to match previous-gen models
Cross-CCD on Zen 5 dual-CCD CPUs is now in line with Zen 4 chips.
it was not really a "problem" but an optimization choice. It probably won't affect real world performance much.
Just to give an idea of the kind of difference going from a 3900X to a 5700X3D would make:
From Ryzen 5 3600 to 5800X3D: The Big Upgrade
Going from user feedback, it sounds like many are planning a final AM4 upgrade and you may be most interested in going all out on the 5800X3D,...
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The 3900X is not much faster in games than the 3600 and the 5700X3D is not much slower than the 5800X3D. I think you'd be looking at a 40+% gain, sometimes much more in heavily CPU limited games.
I'm all for building a new system and the 9800X3D is incredible. But the value proposition of the 5700X3D is crazy. Not sure I've ever seen such a viable path forward on a damn 8 year old socket.
Yup. I even get a better deal on the 5700x3D.Just to give an idea of the kind of difference going from a 3900X to a 5700X3D would make:
From Ryzen 5 3600 to 5800X3D: The Big Upgrade
Going from user feedback, it sounds like many are planning a final AM4 upgrade and you may be most interested in going all out on the 5800X3D,...
The 3900X is not much faster in games than the 3600 and the 5700X3D is not much slower than the 5800X3D. I think you'd be looking at a 40+% gain, sometimes much more in heavily CPU limited games.
I'm all for building a new system and the 9800X3D is incredible. But the value proposition of the 5700X3D is crazy. Not sure I've ever seen such a viable path forward on a damn 8 year old socket.
It comes with 32GB ddr4 kit with it.
So CPU + Memory is $299 CAD.
That should hold for a while. GPUs are likely to stay the bottleneck unless you are trying to crank frames.