GamePro Hands-on with 360: Halo 1/2 confirmed BC
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The Halo 1 and Halo 2 BC I expected - I mean... c'mon!
The fact that all the other titles they tried had some sort of issues though, that's what I found surprising. I was thinking that the number of games with issues would be a definitie minority. I guess they'll eventually work out the kinks in any of the games that matter though.
The fact that all the other titles they tried had some sort of issues though, that's what I found surprising. I was thinking that the number of games with issues would be a definitie minority. I guess they'll eventually work out the kinks in any of the games that matter though.
_leech_ said:
I have to say though, if it was just going to be Halo and Halo 2, they might as well *not* have made it B/C. People prefer a non-feature to a poorly implemented one when reflecting on the quality of their purchase. Oh well whatever, like I said I'm sure they'll workit out eventually. At the very least I would hope Ninja Gaiden and the other 'biggies' get proper B/C.
Joe DeFuria
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xbdestroya said:
Is there any reason to believe that game-pro's experience is going to be the actual initial OOTB experience when the actual product ships?
Joe DeFuria said:
In all honesty I would say the answer is 'yes,' since at this point I have to consider Game-Pro for all intents and purposes as having an 'actual product.' Certainly nothing is going to change for the 360 between now and Nov 22nd - as we speak probably the last of the 360's for the 22nd launch are getting set to go out. What's left to be manufactured for the launch at this point is a minority of the launch allotment.
Struggling to stich it on? They were working on it before sonys annoucement. Anyway who know what games they tried, it could work with 100 other games for all we know and they simply picked games that haven't been emulated yet, or perhaps the emulator version could have been old. We really don't have the entire story yet, so don't jump to conclusions.I'm certain Sony will have to jump thorugh the same emulation hoops to make PS3 backwards compatable with PS2. infact they have an even more difficult task. They have thousands of games that need to be backwards compatable.
they said they would annouce what games will work pretty soon. i'm sure it's going to be more than just Halo 1& 2..
they said they would annouce what games will work pretty soon. i'm sure it's going to be more than just Halo 1& 2..
scooby_dooby
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_leech_ said:
You make it seem like MS was taken by surprise when Sony announced BC...
PS3 having BC is basically a foregone conclusion, I don't think anyone was surprised by that statement.
Qroach said:
Sheesh calm down - I'm hardly raising a flag here - I was simply explaining my logic. On the contrary, I'm one who thinks that MS will work out a majority of the B/C kinks. That being said though, what would inherently be different on the debug kit in relation to the retail when certainly the 360 B/C emulation via the hard drive must be locked in since several months ago? Patch downloads I can understand, but in that case the performance between the two - again - should not be too inherently different.
Well they're running the same hardware and software aren't they? As for the issues on the other games there were no details. Only the one-liner "Of course, the console choked on every other first and third party game we threw at, with one exception, the original Halo". Choked sounds worse than having some issues, as though they didn't run properly.
It'd be nice if they looked at the HDD contents to see if they can find a patch for Halo, what size and form it might take, and give some other info. Though I was expecting better results. More recently MS were talking about success with 1st Layer only software which was supposed to be a fair percentage if i remember right, but the article says 1st party and third party titles were choking. I guess there aren't many 1st layer titles, or what constitutes a first layer title isn't what GamePro tested.
It'd be nice if they looked at the HDD contents to see if they can find a patch for Halo, what size and form it might take, and give some other info. Though I was expecting better results. More recently MS were talking about success with 1st Layer only software which was supposed to be a fair percentage if i remember right, but the article says 1st party and third party titles were choking. I guess there aren't many 1st layer titles, or what constitutes a first layer title isn't what GamePro tested.
I don't remember MS ever being adamant. They did say BC wasn't a priority and would be difficult.
I 'm already calm thanks. You explained you logic and I explained mine.
There's a hardware and software difference between retail kits and debug kits. The software on debug kits needs to be manually updated by developers with each Xdk release. basically they blow everything on it away and give it a fresh install with each new Xdkversion. As I was saying before, it could be that this debug box has an older version of the emulation software...
Joe DeFuria
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xbdestroya said:
Why must it have been locked down several months ago?
Why should debug kits have all of the latest and greatest B/C libraries for all the games?
I just don't understand why "alarm bells" are going off. Certainly, there's going to be issues with many games and B/C upon launch. But we're just going to have to wait until final "off the shelf" kits are reviewed to find out.
Qroach said:
Well, that's true that could be the case. I guess we'll see soon enough what Microsoft feels their 'good enough' B/C list is anyway when they put it up next week.
Joe Defuria said:
Well, it's stored on the HDD isn't it? And I have to imagine the HDD received is a newer one, since it just went out to them.
As for the 'several months ago' - since launch 360's have been being stockpiled now for several months, well there ya go. It's easy to follow my train of thought there. Obviously further patches/additions will be available through future downloads and via updated HDD's, but as far as I'm concerned the final 360 - as it will be received next month - was frozen in time several months ago.
I agree on the waiting for the actual day though to say one way or the other how well B/C was executed.
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Alpha_Spartan
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Or maybe it's the Bleem effect where since it's running on an emulator it can use more advanced features from the new GPU._leech_ said:
At any rate, X360 b/c will be half-assed at best. MS is just doing this to say they have it. In two years I'll be surprised if MS is still writing emulators for Xbox games. Who still plays PSX games on their PS2? A show of hands please.
If you raised your hand, you're an anomaly and a freak.