Fortnite
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djskribbles
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Yeah, Fortnite's skill ceiling is actually higher. The building mechanic is basically the entire skill gap.
At the same time, because the player base is so large, there are many bad/average players out there, so you can have some success without learning how to build. But if you want to win a decent percentage of games, you'll need to learn.
I've been playing for a little over a month and I still consider myself average. My gun skill is decent, but my building is still fairly weak. I'm slowly getting better but I still see myself getting out-built by a good amount of skilled players. My squad and I win around 8-10% of our matches.
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Easy to grasp, difficult to master is a good recipe for longevity.
Silent_Buddha
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Agreed, as that's exactly what I said.
However, it is also interesting to see where skill ceilings differ between Fortnite and PUBG, not in how high they can go, but in how they differ mechanically and conceptually.
Fortnite has a very clear and easy to understand but difficult to accomplish skill ceiling. That being the ability to quickly erect suitable structures for the situation while simultaneously shooting at the enemy. Unfavorable terrain can be overcome with good structure planning and building. A very clear and easily understood thing, that is incredibly difficult to do well in the heat of battle when people are trying to kill you.
PUBG on the other hand has a non-obvious and much more difficult mechanic to grasp in order to reach its skill ceiling. An understanding of optics (the various scopes and how to adjust then in relation to your target on the screen), ballistics (each weapon has different ballistics characteristics), camouflage (the ability to hide in plain site which can be vastly boosted with a ghillie suit). How to evaluate the terrain to determine the best way to get from A to B without being killed. How to approach a potential combat situation. etc.
Everything in Fortnite is clear and easily understood. Spotting the enemy is made clear as the style is purposely chosen to make it easy to identify and aquire targets. Weapon fire is simplistic and to the point (without advanced physics based ballistics simulation, new players aren't left wonder why they didn't hit what they aimed at). Planning while important isn't as important as changing the situation (building things) to favor you. There's a relatively smooth ramp from starting the game to getting to higher levels.
PUBG relies on a comprehensive understanding of terrain and good planning. You can't change anything in your favor and must always go with what is available. You need to understand that spotting people who know what they are doing is often times not so much about seeing them as seeing their movement. You need to be able to choose the right scope for the right engagement distances. You need to be able to adjust magnifying scopes for distance and be able to relatively accurately judge the distance between you and your opponent. You need to be able to understand how much bullet drop X weapon has versus Y weapon. How much bullet spread S weapon has versus T weapon. How do the various attachments affect the ballistics performance of a gun (not just in terms of numbers, but in actual weapon performance). And on and on and on. It's a complex system that while not 100% realistic trys to implement many things in a realistic manner. Unlike Fortnite, PUBG puts you on the edge of the cliff to start with a near vertical wall to attaining higher levels.
It's easy to understand why Fortnite has much more mass market appeal. It's obvious what you need to do. It's obvious how things work. It's very easy to see when you get better. And multi-colored loot drops, more like multi-colored loot explosions
, always make you feel like you are making progress in a game.But it's also easy to see why PUBG is as popular as it is. There's a real challenge to the game from the get go. Learning can be difficult, but the difficultly increases the impact of satisfaction when it is tamed. Progress in skill comes in small, sometimes unnoticeable increments. Accomplishment feels more earned than as a result of progressing down the obvious path or getting a random rare item in a loot explosion.
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SB
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ZjcrvQO70vsXHUANI_3LXJLkfshEjI7HPX_xVZ0SN3vko
Something to do with Sony investing 250 millions into Epic?
Something to do with Sony investing 250 millions into Epic?
could be that xbox doesn't have anything analogous to the PS camera, they have the kinect ofc but its not supported anymore
mattgibbs11
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For some reason, I don't like playing Fortnite. It doesn't give me same excitement and thrill like playing PUBG or COD.
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I figure you have to be a kid to enjoy it. My boys love it, I'd rather suffer slow painful torture.
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The latest update adds 120hz mode for PS5 and XSX/S.
Who would outside of kids? My son can build a 100ft tall clubhouse in 8 secs, and edit a wall to remove it, shoot and replace the wall in like 4 frames. It doesn't even look fun.
The level of skill needed just to be good doesn't warrant the investment especially given the bulk of that skill is hardly useful anywhere else (and I'm not talking about the world but just gaming itself).
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That video is missing some key data, the sound of keyboard and mouse clicks. I didn't even have to see my son's display to know how much effort he puts in during gameplay. I could hear it. It sounds like my son is trying to type out a 20-page paper in 10 minutes. LOL.
The worst thing you can have your house is a fortnite gamer with a mechanical clicky keyboard.
Yep. He asked for a specific gaming mouse and keyboard to play Fortnite. I lacked the wherewithal to understand what that would mean for my ears given my years away from PC gaming.
No wonder console owners tend to covet quiet hardware more than PC gamers. Y’all are use to having a three piece band on your desk.
LOL
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