Formula 1 - 2019 Season

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  1. Kaotik

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    Last year he survived the corner, did use the very inside corner but came from better angle.
    2017 was clean but 2016 he went for the inside and hit Räikkönen (who then hit Vettel due the hit)
     
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    Another terrifying crash in F3, car launched off a curb & landed in the fence after a lot of spin/tumbles in the air :shock:
    Driver walked away this time but damn :???:

    Edit: F2 -> F3
     
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    Farcical Q3: red flag with 6mins to go when Kimi crashed for 2nd time, then when restarted everyone stayed in garage waiting for someone to go out first & when they did they faffed around so much trying to avoid leading that only the windbreaker Sainz actually managed to cross the line for flying lap before time ran out :no:

    Leclerc pole again, Hamilton 2nd, Bottas then Vettel, both Renaults showing very good speed with 5th & 6th.
    Verstappen didn't even set a time with an issue with his new engine, was going to be back of grid already though.
    Kvyat got a bit more of his unlucky with messed up timing out onto the track, missed tow for final Q2 lap then traffic issues & went wide on one of the corners as well -> 13th.


    Not a fan of this whole tow BS, but how would you prevent it?
    Reconfigure qualifying to individual timed laps with cars sent out at some fixed interval & in random drawn order?
    Several cases of teammates apparently not being cooperative about it.


    2nd guy from last weeks' F2 crash is apparently in pretty dire state: both legs broken & spinal injury, now respiratory failure -> induced coma.
     
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    They need to have something like the 107% rule for qualifying. As for the tow, that’s what teammates and contracts are for, I’d think.
     
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    Whats the 107% rule?

    Edit: Thanks Google, hmm officially on the books but doesn't seem to be applied anymore.
    How would you apply it?
     
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    Just like before, if someones qualifying time is so bad it's outside the 107% rule, they won't get to enter the race.
    And it is still applied AFAIK, every time in recent years when driver hasn't hit the 107% rule (really meaning they haven't completed a single lap, no team is that slow these days) they get to argue that their practice pace etc has shown they're fast enough and get still get to race. (this "loophole" has been there forever because of possible unforseen consequences like mechanical failure in qualifying)
    For example in Monza this weekend you would have had to have time of 1.24.86 or worse to be outside the 107% time
     
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    Well Wiki shows a list where other than the 2012 Aussie GP it hasn't been enforced despite 22 times over 107% and as high as 118%.
    In the current race Verstappen didn't complete a single lap in qualifying but is being allowed to compete.

    But how would it be used to prevent the BS of everyone waiting too long trying to get the tow?
     
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    Verstapen however hasn't completed a full lap in qualy this Monza session.
    In both the cases you mention, teams are allowed to show sector time or practice times as proof they can get bellow the 107%. This doesn't mean the rule is not eforced, rather that the exceptions to it are being applied.

    But the point of this rule was to exclude really slow drivers that could potentially get in the way of others' races and ruin it for them. Back then, there were many more drivers as opposed to the 18-22 we have now.
     
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    That rule only exist to prevent cars that are consistently too slow. So obviously it wouldn't apply to Verstappen as that RBR is definitely quick enough. On top of that there aren't that many cars competing today so unless a car would be so so slow over the whole weekend that it would be dangerous to compete in the race, they won't apply the 107% rule.

    Anyway it wouldn't do anything to prevent what happened. That said, why is everyone making such a big deal out of it? Sure, it looked stupid on TV, but I doubt any of the teams really care.

    Ferrari is p1, they don't care. Mercedes are p2 and p3, splitting the ferarris so they don't care. Renault are p5 and p6 so they definitely don't care. Kimi parked it in the wall so Alfa doesn't have much to care about either.

    Leaves RBR, McLaren and racing point but without their team mates it's not like they really had much of a chance to improve anyway.

    It is unlikely to happen again either because Monza is the only track it makes sense at and on top of that, this year in particular apparently because the new front wings are so much more draggy. Next year just set a minimum lap time and you are done.
     
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    OK so its more finessed than just straight 107%.

    Good point.
     
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    Funny, It Worked Last Time...
    that end of qualifying was idiotic, no other word for it
     
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    Then they've managed to argue that they've shown high enough pace in practice sessions or overall in the season.

    It couldn't.
     
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    Err, great stewards. Early in the race car was literally forced completely off the track by the guy on the inside > no penalty or warning. Someone squeezes one on Hamiltons wheels out of track > instant warning.
     
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    Which was that one?

    Leclerc was I think over-defending.
    But he managed it again, brave choice to go for hards on the pitstop which made for some tough corners but ultimately gave him enough tyre to fend off strong challenges from both Hamilton & Bottas, 2 from 2.

    Renaults maintained their pace for 4th & 5th.

    Kvyat unlucky again, had to retire with an oil leak :-(
    Had a solid start with Meds, got in for his pit perfectly timed in the virtual safety car, prime spot for a 6th or 7th, might not have held off Albon despite decent gap & fresher tyres but looked likely to stay clear of Perez.

    Verstappen made good progress up the field but only made it to 8th.

    Vettel had a shocker.
    Spun & re-entered extremely dangerously, hit & caused Stroll to spin too, Stroll then also re-entered very dangerously causing Gasly to have to dodge into gravel, 10s stop-go for Vettel & drive through for Stroll.
    Vettel also got put on Softs so had to pit again later, miserable 13th.


    Edit: lol in post-race 'the podium had a power cut so there's no music', I think it got shorted out by the champagne spraying, afterwards there was smoke coming out the top, bunch of audio I thought was suspiciously like extinguishers going off, a lot of rushed coming & going behind/inside it.
     
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    I am totally stunned that Ferrari executed a race plan through to victory.
     
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    Not sure if the embed works, but F1's official race highlights, lap 3, around 0:58 mark
     
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    The Sainz/Albon one?
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...entful-italian-gp.57SWtBpaJ8hZ2mQ6xVsMgo.html

    Albon says he shouldn't have been where he was & Sainz had a bit of a slide, which is 'entirely his own fault' for pushing too hard -> should have been a penalty according to the precedent previously set.

    They did have FIA guy on to explain the new more lenient standard being set at request of the teams so I guess that situation got leniented?
     
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    It's not just being more "lenient", it's letting people race. I would guess that because Sainz lost the rear a little it was just considered to be a part of hard racing, rather than a deliberate attempt to force Albon off the track. Whereas with Leclerc, it was a deliberate move towards the edge of the track.
     
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    Slipped my mind that Vettel has 9 penalty points. For a one-race ban he needs to pick up 3 more points in any of the the next three races before October 19, or five points before June 2020.
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/49770643
     
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