Formula 1 - 2008 Season

[Dave Baumann]

Exaggerate to the point of lying about lap times? No.

 

[DJ12]

As I said above we are talking about F1 drivers, all these guys know what they are doing. One isnt so much better that he makes a 3 second difference and even is faster than the dry lap times, not in a car so limited as they have on TG.

Well the evidence is clear, one guy is so much better than everyone else who's driven round the track.

You can keep bringing up your conspiracy theories if you like, but the BBC don't carry F1 and they've had their "making of Lewis Hamilton" special, so they have no reason to make him out to be better than he is.

Button was the flavour of the month when he drove round the track, where was the bullshitting of his time?

 

[Davros]

Its not only about speed, the veyron as as much about being able to do 400kmph in a car that is still ''very'' comfortable at those speeds.

And does that have leather-matched varnish? Thought not. ;0

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Well the evidence is clear, one guy is so much better than everyone else who's driven round the track.

You can keep bringing up your conspiracy theories if you like, but the BBC don't carry F1 and they've had their "making of Lewis Hamilton" special, so they have no reason to make him out to be better than he is.

Button was the flavour of the month when he drove round the track, where was the bullshitting of his time?

But, but... Hamilton made Fernando Alonso cry this year, so he must be Teh Evil Cheatar. Just ask tongue_of_colicab, he'll tell you it's all truefact.

 

[dizietsma]

I wonder what Jim Clark could have done, probably a 1 min 42sec at the most.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

You guys all british or something?

Look, im not saying they cheated, but at the very least its a bit dubious given the facts. The car they drive is just very limited, eveyone with some race experiance probably is able to get almost everything out of it. Even a ''average'' driver like Webber, who while still kick all our asses here with just using his pinky to drive, will be able to learn to track and the car in those few test rounds and almost max it out.

Notice how I say near and almost? thats because even if hamilton did a perfect lap it doesnt make for a 3 second difference! No F1 driver will screw up so bad he loses so much time on the TG track.

Do you guys realise how much 3 seconds is? especially on a short track like TG has? Even if you take Sutil and his spyker he wont be 3 seconds slower than hamilton in his mcFerrari every lap and the spyker is a car that belongs in a museum so old is it.

If you think 3 seconds is possible, give me 1 example of a average and top driver with the same machine having a 3 seconds difference in 1 lap, you wont find one. You'll even have trouble taking a bad car with a bad driver and a top car with a top driver and finding a 3 second difference. But now suddenly I have to believe hamilton, in the wet, is faster than ex F1 drivers in the dry?

I dislike Alonso very much btw.

 

[DJ12]

Tongue, the fact is Hamilton DID go round 3 seconds faster than Webber and 0.3 slower than the Stig in the dry.

It's not even up for debate.

For arguments sake, if it was Schumacher, would you have such a problem then?

 

[V3]

I've seen Webber and Button lap for the TG track. If I remember right Webber had a really wet day and I don't think he tried very hard either. Button though was going for the Stig time.

So did Hamilton time beat Button ?

 

[DJ12]

Yes, only Mansell and the Stig were faster.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Tongue, the fact is Hamilton DID go round 3 seconds faster than Webber and 0.3 slower than the Stig in the dry.

It's not even up for debate.

For arguments sake, if it was Schumacher, would you have such a problem then?

Yes, because 3 seconds is so much no matter who drives. If webber didnt try hard that might explain it but still, faster than some dry times?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The stig is also an average driver. (he's Ben Collins by the way - Found that out today)

It is rumoured that Ben is The Stig on BBC TV's Top Gear. The Health & Safety Executive report into Richard Hammond's Vampire dragster crash in September 2006 records that Collins "worked closely with Top Gear as a high performance driver and consultant".[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Collins_(driver)

As for Lewis doing so well .. I don't think it was staged. Like I said, he impresses me. I'd love to see him do The Nürburgring Nordschleife in the new GTR.

US

 

[pocketmoon66]

As for Lewis doing so well .. I don't think it was staged. Like I said, he impresses me. I'd love to see him do The Nürburgring Nordschleife in the new GTR.
US

Or even better, the White Van ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5rDc4Fc0



There's something damn s3xy about a woman who can drive like that ...

 

[DJ12]

I have asked the BBC to post an unedited version of the lap to prove they haven't altered it to make Hamilton look good just for your benefit Tongue.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Mweh there are more ways to docter the times, I also want proof of weight and petrol!

 

[DJ12]

You're on about driver skill not making that much difference in the "reasonable priced" car and now you want to know about the weight and how much petrol he ran the track with

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Yeah, no doubt F1, TV, and all the other teams and drivers colluded during the 2007 season to make Hamilton look better than he is. There's simply no way a rookie could come into F1 in his first year and be that fast, is there? IT'S ALL LIES I TELL YOU! LIES!

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Well, the drivers wont be the limiting factor (if you believe that, you dont have a clue what kind of skill even the bad f1 drivers have) so if you lose like 40kilo's that could have a influance. Not 3seconds though I think.

Disclamer: Dont take things to seriously

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Disclamer: Dont take things to seriously

You should really take your own advice there.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Im not taking things to seriously, I dont have to because common sense is enough to know that you dont make a 3 second difference if all the drivers are giving it their best.

But ofcourse hamilton is capable of bending space and time, I forgot that.

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

Im not taking things to seriously, I dont have to because common sense is enough to know that you dont make a 3 second difference if all the drivers are giving it their best.

But ofcourse hamilton is capable of bending space and time, I forgot that.

No, he's just very fast. That's probably why he's driving for one of the best Formula 1 teams, nearly won the championship in his first year, all while being barely out of short trousers. Given the handful of F1 drivers that have been on Top Gear, and the fact that the only other guy in the wet was a not-really-trying Webber, it's no surprise he's looks very quick.

Apart from Webber, the only current F1 driver who was actually trying was Button, who was faster in the dry, but who isn't really in the same league as Hamilton.

Remember when Schumacher was racing in the wet, no one could believe how much faster he was than everyone else? It's like everyone else had to slow down and Schumacher hardly did. The most obvious explanation is that Hamilton is just like that, and is simply very fast in the wet as well as in the dry.

For some reason you seem to feel the need to denigrate Hamilton just for being a quick driver. Some guys are just naturally fast. Raikkonnen, Alonso, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, etc were/are a league above all the other drivers, and it seems likely that Hamilton is one of those consistently fast guys, and not to be placed with the Webbers, Coulthards, Fisichellas, etc, where you are so determined to put him.