Formula 1 - 2008 Season

[Bludd]

So he has huge amounts of self confidence? I think F1 needs personalities like that. We surely don't need more Nick Heidfelds wrt. personality.

 

[Kaotik]

So he has huge amounts of self confidence? I think F1 needs personalities like that. We surely don't need more Nick Heidfelds wrt. personality.

Self confidence and being full of yourself are two different things

 

[Bludd]

Still makes for a colourful personality.

 

[dizietsma]

They have been damned for too much PR speak in recent years and said to have been boring, so it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Got to admit I prefer the more laid back type such as his team mate though.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Still makes for a colourful personality.

[stupid joke mode]Well he doesnt have to do anything to be colorful mwhahaha[/stupid joke mode]

Anyway, I dont think he's colorful. I think he's being a cock. If you are a colorful person you are like lets say Irvine. Senna walking in his motorhome angry because he overtook him while he was the leader (Irvine was a lap down) and Irvine just telling him to fuck off because he was faster and if Senna didnt want to be overtaken he should just have gone faster. Now that is being colorful.

Than we have hamilboy telling how he's as good as schumacher. I'm sorry, but that just being a cock given that he hasnt even won 1WDC let alone 7. And that is just the WDC part, not everything else like almost single handly making Ferrari in a top team again (along with todt and brawn). All hamilton has done is win races in one of the fastest cars on the grid, something which half of the field should be capable of.

Or how about telling others they dont have balls (regarding kimi). Ofcourse, he doesnt have balls... If I remember right not that long ago kimi decided to stay out in his Macca with a huge blister on the front tyre that he know was going to blow. Still he stayed out for the last 2 rounds because he wanted to finish high ending in a shunt. Now he didnt crashed to hard but it could have been pretty bad if it happend in a fast corner.

 

[Bludd]

Many colourful personalities are cocks. Jeremy Clarkson is a bit of a dick and he's awesome. Michael Schumacher is a cock. Alonso is a cock (just ask _xxx_ and Ron Dennis!), Bourdais is french (hah! I give cigarette to baby, what are you going to do?), Kimi is a drunk cock (sisu!) and Lewis is a self confident cock.

They are all cocks, except maybe Heikki and Nick Heidfeld (too boring to be a cock).

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Yes but when clarkson says something its quite clear you are not ment to take it 100% serious, that is why what he says might make him look like a dick but he actually isnt if you'd hear him speak.

Yes schumacher is a cock, But when you hold as much records as he does you are allowed to be one. Alonso isnt really a cock but just selfish (and I doubt RD is much of a reliable source) Bourdais really is out of luck, he's french and spend alot of time in the USA, that will totally mess you up . But how can Kimi be a cock? he either is drunk, in which case we dont see him, or he just doesnt speak so how can he be a cock? he's just totally disinterrested, even in driving atm it seems. Lewis is a real cock with his misplaced ''selfconfidence''. Piquet is a cock too btw. He does quite a bit of interviews for dutch tv and he really sounds cocky there. Lol, even telling the commentator a to fuck off as a goodbye withouth even changing the tone of his voice one bit to make it sound as he want 100% serious about that.

 

[Bludd]

F1 USA Palm Springs Grand Prix?

 

[Dave Baumann]

This is perfect example of why I and many others dislike Hamilton:

I mean ffs, the guy is great driver but seriously, there should be some limit to all the praising

Yeh, let's all forget that he has done plenty of mistakes on wet just like everyone else out there.
Only Senna is worthy of talk like that regarding wet weather, if anyone.

And it's not only press

I seriously doubt there has ever been as arrogant driver in F1 before, I haven't seen any other driver been praising his own skills and himself that much before.

What? So, you are attributing comments that Hamilton's team, and others, have attributed to him as why you don't like him?

And, as for the his own comments, why on earth not? Has anyone been as good as him in the wet this season?

 

[Bludd]

Oh but it is his car. If Massa drove the McLaren he wouldn't have spun 5 times in Silverstone! If Räikkönen drove the McLaren he wouldn't have crashed in Spa! If if if

Hammy is a good driver, IMHO. He's just inexperienced and that leads to mistakes as seen this year and last year.

 

[Kaotik]

What? So, you are attributing comments that Hamilton's team, and others, have attributed to him as why you don't like him?

And, as for the his own comments, why on earth not? Has anyone been as good as him in the wet this season?

It's what press says + what he's saying himself later in the post

 

[Bludd]

Appeal day today for McLaren and Hamilton.

 

[Phil]

I really doubt this is going to make any difference, sadly. I'm not the greatest Hamilton admirer, but he sure knows how to drive and I personally think he full well deserved that win.

 

[Kaotik]

Charlie Whiting agrees after all:

Whiting said he gave wrong advice to McLaren because he had only seen the incident once live when they asked his opinion.

"It became clear to me after seeing the incident in a more detailed way that the whole advantage had not been given back," said the race director.

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/eUK/CSPOUK/nsportsNews_uUKLL19089320080922

Oh, and in recent interview Hamilton continued on his conceited way:
“I am not messing around doing stupid things just keeping myself nice and quiet and doing everything right."
Everything right? Suuure. Stupid things & nice and quiet and all, I wonder why example Glock would then want to block Hamilton off the track like Hamilton did to him

 

[Dave Baumann]

Charlie Whiting agrees after all:

Of course he does, he's not going to say differently is he? The fact of the matter is that had he said this during the race McLaren would have radioed Hamilton and told him to hold back and we wouldn't have this issue in the first place.

However, seems that the FIA and Charlie aren't looking too great from this meeting:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article4806012.ece

The FIA was accused in front of its Court of Appeal yesterday of deliberately misrepresenting the views of one of its former chief stewards in a bid to undermine Lewis Hamilton's case that he was wrongly demoted from winner to third place at this year's Belgian Grand Prix.

In a surprise submission to the court, which will only fuel the belief among Hamilton's supporters that the sport's governing body is biased against him, McLaren revealed that FIA officials misrepresented the views of Tony Scott Andrews, the chief steward at last year's Japanese Grand Prix, in correspondence sent only three days before yesterday's hearing.

In an e-mail sent to McLaren's lawyers on Friday, the FIA claimed that Scott Andrews had admitted that he had been wrong to impose a time penalty on Tonio Liuzzi, the Italian driver, in Japan and that Scott Andrews had confirmed as much in a phone conversation with Charlie Whiting, the Formula One race director, that day.

The issue is critical to the admissibility of Hamilton's case, on which the court will publish its findings today, because McLaren were relying heavily on the decision in Japan as a precedent. As he emerged from the day-long hearing, Hamilton, who acquitted himself with aplomb under cross-examination by a lawyer from Ferrari, made clear that he saw this as the most important element of McLaren's case. “Did you all catch on with the e-mail?” he said.

The court heard that McLaren were not content to take the FIA's word on this critical matter and sent officials to Brands Hatch race track in Kent on Sunday, when Scott Andrews was officiating at a touring car meeting, to check if he had agreed that he had made a mistake. Scott Andrews was adamant that he had not and offered to put his views in writing to the court.

In a submission that makes embarrassing reading for the FIA, which has come under fire for its perceived bias against McLaren and Hamilton, Scott Andrews said that he was “extremely surprised by the content” of the FIA's e-mail, which he described as “grossly inaccurate and misleading”. He also said that at no time during his conversation with Whiting had he been asked if he had made a mistake in imposing a time penalty on Liuzzi. “Had he [Whiting] done so, the answer would have been ‘no',” Scott Andrews wrote.

In his closing speech to the court, Mark Phillips, QC, representing McLaren, described the matter as an “unfortunate exchange”. Clearly not wishing to rub the FIA's nose in it, he added: “I ask you to reflect on that when you come to consider the way in which certain members of the FIA conducted themselves. I won't say any more than that.”

That one will only add fuel to the fire...

 

[Kaotik]

Of course he does, he's not going to say differently is he? The fact of the matter is that had he said this during the race McLaren would have radioed Hamilton and told him to hold back and we wouldn't have this issue in the first place.

Why not, he did say different before too
Anyway, the mistake that McLaren did was that they asked the wrong guy for it, the 3 [i've forgotten what they're exactly called] make the calls during/after race and give penalties, jury or something, not Whiting.

And yeah, there will be always plenty of fuel to the fire, but the case is really clear, every other current driver and plenty of other officials, ex-drivers etc agree on it, only couple big names (and obviously mclaren) don't.

And what comes to "bias against McLaren and Hamilton", I think that's taken out of the wind, sure there has been some harsh (looking) decisions against them, but there has been plenty going for them too

 

[Dave Baumann]

Why not, he did say different before too
Anyway, the mistake that McLaren did was that they asked the wrong guy for it, the 3 [i've forgotten what they're exactly called] make the calls during/after race and give penalties, jury or something, not Whiting.

No. Whiting is the only one they can contact at track time.

Whiting is the one that also makes the calls as to whether or not it should go to the Stewards - just after he said it was OK to McLaren he was the one that signalled the stewards to look at this further.

And yeah, there will be always plenty of fuel to the fire, but the case is really clear, every other current driver and plenty of other officials, ex-drivers etc agree on it, only couple big names (and obviously mclaren) don't.

No, the other drivers sought clarification of the rule. If the rule was clear they wouldn't have sought clarification.

 

[Kaotik]

No. Whiting is the only one they can contact at tack time.

Whiting is the one that also makes the calls as to whether or not it should go to the Stewards - just after he said it was OK to McLaren he was the one that signalled the stewards to look at this further.

They can't? Ok, then it's not McLarens mistake. However Whiting only said he thinks it's ok, not that it would 100% surely be

No, the other drivers sought clarification of the rule. If the rule was clear they wouldn't have sought clarification.

Got quotes for that? I've seen only them mentioning that "everyone knows" the rules (that you need to give back all the advantage and neutralize situation, which Hamilton didn't do and which is why for example Alonso(?) last year had to re-give position he had already given once) and that they've been actually speaking of this at the driver meetings too

 

[Dave Baumann]

Got quotes for that? I've seen only them mentioning that "everyone knows" the rules (that you need to give back all the advantage and neutralize situation, which Hamilton didn't do and which is why for example Alonso(?) last year had to re-give position he had already given once) and that they've been actually speaking of this at the driver meetings too

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70480

"In the drivers' briefing tomorrow we will try and get clarification about the conditions we are racing under and we will move forward. And when some fans go, some fans come. That is the natural evolution of life."

Regarding the incident itself, Coulthard said that although Hamilton did give the lead back to Raikkonen, there was obviously a belief by the stewards that the McLaren driver gained a further advantage.

And he said that, whatever the varied opinions are of the matter, it was important the sport respected decisions made by the stewards.

"The rules as we understand them as drivers if that if you gain advantage then you should give that position back. So that means if you overtake under yellow you should give that position back; if you miss a corner and gain a position you should give it back.

"In the simplest way as we see it, he fulfilled that criteria. The area that obviously the stewards have applied a penalty for is, did he gain an advantage by missing the corner? Did that allow him to be in the slipstream of Raikkonen where he would not have been had he actually taken the corner normally?

"It is a very difficult one for us to know, at the end of the day in any sport and in any walk of life, you are controlled by certain rules and regulations and you will not always appreciate them, or agree with them, but as long as they are applied consistently then that is the world in which we live.

 

[Davros]

f1-itv's resident expert on chichanegate
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=Mark_Hughes&id=43892

"To compare the two scenarios – what happened, with what would have happened had Hamilton not missed the chicane – is impossible."