Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion Archive [2011]
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Poor Grandmaster...stupid Gaf is in full conspiracy theory mode
Richard says SSAO is weak and not as apparent in 360 version,but is there.While in PS3 version (while having larger occlusion radius)its definitely too strong and quite unrealistic and they are "demanding explanation" for not saying "OMG ps3 version looks so much better with SSAO looking like someone took 20 inch paint brusher and painted the edges in black".Huh...
Same thing for shadows...
Even though he says that PS3 is one to get,that PS3 version performs better and is more polished version they still hate on the guy.I think this line really pissed them off "However, factoring in the enormity of the game, it's a credit to Team Bondi that the Xbox 360 version is as close as it is",but I dunno why
Richard says SSAO is weak and not as apparent in 360 version,but is there.While in PS3 version (while having larger occlusion radius)its definitely too strong and quite unrealistic and they are "demanding explanation" for not saying "OMG ps3 version looks so much better with SSAO looking like someone took 20 inch paint brusher and painted the edges in black".Huh...
Same thing for shadows...
Even though he says that PS3 is one to get,that PS3 version performs better and is more polished version they still hate on the guy.I think this line really pissed them off "However, factoring in the enormity of the game, it's a credit to Team Bondi that the Xbox 360 version is as close as it is",but I dunno why
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Poor Grandmaster...stupid Gaf is in full conspiracy theory mode
Richard says SSAO is weak and not as apparent in 360 version,but is there.While in PS3 version (while having larger occlusion radius)its definitely too strong and quite unrealistic and they are "demanding explanation" for not saying "OMG ps3 version looks so much better with SSAO looking like someone took 20 inch paint brusher and painted the edges in black".Huh...
Same thing for shadows...
Even though he says that PS3 is one to get,that PS3 version performs better and is more polished version they still hate on the guy.I think this line really pissed them off "However, factoring in the enormity of the game, it's a credit to Team Bondi that the Xbox 360 version is as close as it is",but I dunno why
PS3 SSAO clearly looks better,so no reason to say it looks dirty and unrealistic.
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/6/1/1/8/5/360_036.jpg.jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/6/1/1/8/5/PS3_036.jpg.jpg
Same for shadows.
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/6/1/1/8/5/360_043.jpg.jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/6/1/1/8/5/PS3_043.jpg.jpg
What's your definition of motion capture? 3D World calls it facial motion capture which seems accurate to me.
I'd define motion capture by the resulting data - something that can be used drive a character rig, body or facial (although I'd add virtual cameras to it, too).
MotionScan delivers texture and geometry data only, and you can't retarget it, you can't change it in any meaningful way. It's like you've recorded video, all that you can do is to play it back. A very limited use, but more or less sufficient for LA Noire.
(although lack of dynamic eye movement is still disturbing IMHO, characters can't be made to look at anything)
MotionScan delivers texture and geometry data only, and you can't retarget it, you can't change it in any meaningful way. It's like you've recorded video, all that you can do is to play it back. A very limited use, but more or less sufficient for LA Noire.
(although lack of dynamic eye movement is still disturbing IMHO, characters can't be made to look at anything)
That's just a mostly subjective issue... to me, I actually think the screenshot with the darker shadows looks like someone put felt insulation on all the edges, and it seems to highlight some of the aliasing with the darker contrasts. I would not use the words "clearly looks better" but rather choose "SSAO preference is subjective to the viewers preferences"
In the examples you picked, I would have preferred the 360 shots. I'm just as sure that there are PS3 shots I would have preferred, but not with those links you listed, and I can't be bothered to find them. I would say that as far as shadows, they're both pretty similar.
For your second set of links (from the EG/DF article), I do prefer the sharper PS3 shadows of the foliage to the fuzzier/dithered shadow edges of the 360. Again, a subjective taste. It doesn't match reality, as when I look in my "real world" environment, I see all shadows have a fuzzy edge -- at least with the light source for the room I'm in.
TheWretched
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I am not sure... it seems a lot of edges on 360 don't seem to receive any SSAO at all. Just compared the door of the ambulance or the fender on the right. The rest (indoor) could just as well be baked into a light map.
Here:
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/6/1/1/8/5/360_043.jpg.jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/6/1/1/8/5/PS3_043.jpg.jpg
the left side of the "gate" receives no SSAO on 360 as well.
For all it's worth to me, I see no SSAO on 360 as of yet. No "real" proof. Though I haven't played the game myself yet... sadly, no PC version. Would love to play in 3D.
I agree. Also, no mention of GI(realtime?) especially after it being a huge talking point for C2.
Yeah, it's a tough call as to which is better. Couple of things I noticed regarding the SSAO.
1) This a thin black outline around the lady, it's especially noticeable on her left side...you can see that the white bed. On the collar of her dress. It makes it seem really puffy.
2) There's some really crude shadow or SSOA like feature near her right hand in the 360 shot, but not on the PS3.
3) under the ambulance door, there's a dark outline on the PS3 shot, but on the 360 it looks weird...kinda of a slight glow?
4) On the PS3, it doesn't seem like the SSAO is factoring in if the object is close by each other or not...base on point #3.
There's no question about this for me...The PS3 is better with the shadow here. I'm looking out my window right now, and seeing the shadows aren't so blurred as in the 360 shots. I guess it depends on how strong the spot light is. Because you right, inside the office the shadows are fuzzier.
This very clearly shows evidence of SSAO:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1552343&postcount=1495
It's very clearly in existence from a number of shots I've seen.
SSAO isn't cast like shadows or lighting. It just simply appears to be that the radius over which the AO contribution is determined is smaller on 360.
TheWretched
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Yeah well... I haven't really seen them. The link posted above seems to show it, but others don't. So what is it, really?
Smaller or nonexistant? As I said, the left door on the Ambulance seems receive NO AO at all on 360. I know that PS3s implementation is a bit exaggerated, but the 360 shot... There simply is none at all. If 360 has AO, why is it missing there?
TheWretched
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Sooo... some corners get AO and some don't because of the (too small) radius? I guess it's rather a bug that some do receive it and others don't.
Just picture a sphere around a pixel with the AO darkening dependent on the occlusion (from surfaces) within it. The angle of surfaces and the size of the sphere will play a role here obviously.
Again, it's not about receiving, it's just the contribution isn't enough to darken the area. On PS3, it's up the wazoo, on 360 it's arguably too little/too subtle for screenshots. It's much more obvious in motion. Overdarkening is hardly correct, nor is darkening half a foot around the contacted surfaces. AO is supposed to be subtle - it's a low frequency lighting term.
L. Scofield
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Also, it shouldn't be visible under direct lighting.
This post:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28008876&postcount=170
The plant on the left doesn't cast shadow on the window frame.
Then again, who care ?! If these people don't call it out, I wouldn't have noticed it at all during gameplay.
EDIT: Did the dev team publish any article on how the SSAO is done ?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28008876&postcount=170
The plant on the left doesn't cast shadow on the window frame.
Then again, who care ?! If these people don't call it out, I wouldn't have noticed it at all during gameplay.
EDIT: Did the dev team publish any article on how the SSAO is done ?
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