Flappy Pannus
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In a thread where we have direct comparisons made to Star Citizen no less. Nobody can seriously mention any other game wrt to 'resource mismanagement' when the king is right there!
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In a thread where we have direct comparisons made to Star Citizen no less. Nobody can seriously mention any other game wrt to 'resource mismanagement' when the king is right there!
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Flappy Pannus
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Duke Nukem' 4ever would like to have a word.
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Pfft
For any potential "Well at least Star Citizen is an actual game" replies:
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I'd say yea.
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LOL! It probably will release - but it's going to be behind on tech and it will get a horrible rating.. remember Daikatana by John Romero?That means you ... think it's going to release.
Haha! Star Citizana.
Actually, a DF retro series looking back at games that struggled through development hell or that came out and were fundamentally broken could be fun, especially if it's two or three of them having a laugh while falling through floors or getting killed by doors.
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This veering off topic but my suspicion is if they ever actually properly audited CIG/Star Citizen the findings are going to be that the majority of the money was not really used for the game and that many people likely received well above standard compensation/perks. Personally I still find it strange that people are willing to crowd fund any business (basically giving a zero return loan to a for profit enterprise) without requiring any independent auditing.
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Agreed.
Because comparisons are drawn here to Star Citizen. Starfield looks good but the 2017 Vertical Slice from Squadron 42 already looks better than Starfield. And a lot has happened since then too. CIG's programming team is very large.
Only 2 years later it already looked like this
This will look much much much better than Starfield.
Only 2 years later it already looked like this
This will look much much much better than Starfield.
They have around 1000 developers. That's where most of the money goes.
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I dont believe all that. I mean, no doubt Chris Roberts(and family) and some upper folks have benefited a lot from this, but there's no need to resort to accusations of funneling money to themselves en masse when predictable and nearly inevitable mismanagement of the whole project is an easy enough explanation for the insane inefficiencies involved already. Most all of this was very foreseeable by anybody who knew how Chris Roberts operates and understands game development to any basic degree.
As for people still giving this game money, it's not really 'crowd funding' anymore, so much as it's just rampant exploitation of people who have blinded themselves to the sunk cost fallacy they've fallen into. But yea, it really is mad that the project still receives the insane level of funding it gets. This game, by all rational standards, should have run out of money a long time ago. It reminds me kind of like the Gamestop stock movement of the past few years, where a failing business is being propped up by what's basically a cult of investors who are all too happy to live in denial of reality and give all their money to a company that's clear in over their heads.
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As far as characters go? Yea, I can see SC having better shading for the skin but it still exhibits the limitation on shading when the skin is already in shadow. Using GI light probes causes the BRDF to be non-normalized and therefore have too much illumination. PT seems to be the only fix for this unfortunately.
Everything else is a hard disagree. The interior of the ships look better in SF having multiple layers of detail for the panels, etc.. I can still see the old school SSR which is absolutely annoying. I love how SF uses dynamic cube maps to go around that limitation (disappearing when the view frustrum is at a certain angle).
Silent_Buddha
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Funny thing is. Star Citizen is actually a fun space simulator with more gameplay and content than Duke Nukem 3D or even most AAA games.
It can be janky as hell sometimes, but it's actually not bad now.Duke Nukem 3D isn't all that fun for an FPS and doesn't have a lot of content.
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My man, you're defending a game now with "Well it's better than DukeNukem Forever"
I don't doubt most of the star citizen money goes into development -- maybe salaries are a little higher than the average game studio, but that would be what it takes to ship cutting edge tech on a project that has a kinda bad reputation among fans. It's very easy to spend 500 million dollars on an aaa game if you're willing to scrap and redo systems and just kinda aimlessly work forever in pursuit of some kind of "perfection". Enough people seem to enjoy the game, I'd rather they make that money stringing on an eternity of early access for a game people like than off gambling mobile game microtransactions or something.
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Well, it's also better than quite a few AAA games that have released while its been in development ... and with more content to boot.
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Flappy Pannus
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Well, it's also better than quite a few AAA games that have released while its been in development ... and with more content to boot.
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Look man there's only so many times I can post the meme
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Sure it will look better than starfield. But lets be realstic the game isn't come out anytime soon. I'd peg it for around 2025 and maybe even later at the rate they are going. We are likely all going to be playing on geforce 60x0 series or 70x00 series gpu's . I don't think its a fair comparision to somethign that will run on the series s and x. Star citizen is just going to be crushed under its own weight
Like I said with a ryzen 7700 , 64gigs of ram a 3080 and a 8gb/s nvme i still get sub 30 fps inside of the stations. It's a hot mess and has been that way for a long time.
Yes, I consider it a mismanagement of technical resources because I feel they can accomplish way more with the machine it's running on. I do not think it's impressive for the machine it's running on. I felt they could have accomplished way more visually if they made better tradeoffs as it relates to technology.
The impression i got from that video was just a bunch of speculation to justify the performance. There was a little bit of criticism but it was mostly a positive video justifying why things are the way they are.
When it comes to graphics, animation, performance, it’s true that Bethesda has made a step forward compared to their previous efforts. However, that step didnt even move them into the range of average graphics, animations or performance. It’s still very bad. So while you can applaud them for taking a step to make things better, I certainly wouldn’t be justifying the performance because it’s not justifiable. The thing that irks me is how both euro gamer and df put out content with the same undertones. It’s just seems off af. I can’t wait to see how it performs on pc. Can’t wait to profile it.
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