Rikimaru
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PS3 and PS4 are quite easy to disassemble. PSU is easy to remove. xone and 360 clips are god awful.
Nintendo products have too many small parts and uncommon screws.
HDD is much more likely to fail than PSU imo.
Console design and manufacturing comparison - effective cooling yada yada *spawn
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Nintendo products have too many small parts and uncommon screws.
HDD is much more likely to fail than PSU imo.
No it isn't, because on its own your statement means nothing. Without data on actual running temps, what exactly does your quote explain about either device in question? Nothing, so it's just empty words.
I don't know what the 360 slim bricks looked like because I never owned one, but my launch 360 brick had a couple very small inlet holes in one end and a very faint air current coming out the holes in the other. There's little reason to believe the running temp was particularly balmy inside.
How do you know it's a less stressful environment? You're just making assumptions. In addition to the dust and debris issue, the miniscule airflow inside 360 bricks and the additional fan failure point mentioned several times, real life people could shove their brick up to a wall with a radiator right above it, and/or long window drapes covering it for example.
Blanket statement = fail.
First its not my statement.
My original statement that external PSUs were cheaper to replace, which was rebutted that externalizing the PSU led to a lesser failure rate to the point it being cheaper to replace wasn't all that beneficial. My rebut to that post was a question of whether reducing failure rates a benefit in and of itself.
Ultimately, its the design of the product that ultimately determine failure rates of the PSU. But any PSU subjected to different environments will always do better as a component in an cooler environment.
Iroboto already posted data that shows the Xbox PSU runs in cooler environment than either inside the Xbox or PS4. And in all likelihood the failure rate of the PSU the Xbox One currently employs would experience higher rates of failure if operating under those temps found in consoles.
My statement were never meant to be used in a comparison between two different products using two different PSUs, but rather limited to the PSU employed by the Xbox One.
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Still voids warranty though, unlike HDD. My suggestion was more making individual parts user serviceable/replaceable rather than trying to make cheap out-of-warranty fixes.
If it's under warranty you have to send it to get it repaired, regardless of the ps being internal or external.
If it's out of warranty, voiding the warranty is obviously not an issue.
If you troubleshoot yourself and order a replacement power supply off ebay or amazon, the 4 screws on the ps4 are not exactly hard to remove, the replacement power supplies even come with a small screwdriver.
If it's out of warranty, voiding the warranty is obviously not an issue.
If you troubleshoot yourself and order a replacement power supply off ebay or amazon, the 4 screws on the ps4 are not exactly hard to remove, the replacement power supplies even come with a small screwdriver.
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Well this thread went insane.
Can you do me a favour and look over that XBO PSU teardown? it uses centrifugal fan but I ain't a clue where the intake is
I think the point Shifty's was trying to make was to have a bunch of parts serviceable like the PS3/4 HDD by design. Where you can remove and replace different parts without voiding the warranty or going through a bunch of hoops.
In this picture, it looks like there is heat sink compound coupling the entry capacitor to the hot mosfets. Maybe I don't see it correctly, but the heat source still touches the only component which degrades over time from heat since the top heat sink (not shown) is basically coupling everything together indiscriminately.
Mosfets can tolerate up to 175C without degrading.
Capacitors only tolerate 85C or 105C and degrade with heat before that.
The ps4 power supply layout have the caps well spaced from the mosfets, with the air going through laterally so that each component gets cooled individually. This allows the mosfets to be operating hotter (because they can) and the caps to be colder (because they must), essentially the caps are the same temperature as the controlled air (which the ps4 monitors) and this remains constant.
Yes, to have it officially supported by the console company. There were a bunch of PS4's with dodgy drives that all had to be replaced. A user serviceable driver would have meant Sony could have sent replacement drives for the owners to slot in.
Proprietary in which way? The 360 saw a number of connectors with slight physical changes so that people wouldn't accidentally a lower wattage PSU with an older unit that required more.
The XO connection is pretty similar to the 360S actually.
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Can you link to a teardown of the PSU? An air intake isn't absolutely necessary, as long as you're not using an air sealed unit,it's mostly about creating pressure but an intake will obviously give better airflow. A good AC/DC converter should not get too hot.
Proprietary in that they designed their own connector rather than using any number of standard connectors, such as those specified by IEC 60906-3:1994 but there are plenty of connectors around which are cheaper because they are mass produced. Generally you wouldn't want to have to unless you need a special feature (e.g. Apple MagSafe) or where the box is so small you don't have room a DC regulator which you'd use to ignore incorrect power supplies. A standard connector also means you can use a universal power supply.
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Sony have a fairly good history with home consoles in terms of using standard parts when it makes sense (standard 2.5" HDDs in PS3, PS4, standard Blu-ray drive electronics, standard Bluetooth in DualShock 4) but then you look at their portable devices and it all goes mad. It's almost like different different companies.
When it comes to slot-loading drives, to the best of my knowledge there is only one standard fit and that's a mechanic to fit a standard 5.25" bay in an ATX case. Everything else is bespoke. Xbox One's Blu-ray drive looks a lot closer to standard than the Sony drive.
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What are the security measures? I assume Xbox One has a bespoke controller because the 360 did as part of its security measures. What has Sony done?
You can not replace whole drive on either console because of security measures.
PS4 CUH-1200 drive has only mechanical parts though. And average man would break zif connector immediately
Wrong. You can replace the internal hdd on xbox one. Granted you need to do the work yourself and void the warranty, but its not impossible as you claim because of security measures.
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There are plenty of alternative replacement drive mechanics that work with the PS3, you just need to swap the drive's logic board. And this also seems to be the case for the PS4. Perhaps you should fact check your posts.
edit: and the same for Xbox One.
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