CES 2006 News & Announcements

wco81 said:
For $1000 or more, those things should record, maybe even have a PVR with a disk big enough for HDTV recordings, maybe even an ATSC/QAM/Direct TV tuner.

$1000 and more for playback only?

What are they on?:devilish:

They want to piss away the advantages of Blu-Ray? Or did all the Blu-Ray hardware companies pay subsidies to the studios to get them to sing on to Blu-Ray?
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Man...either you haven't paid attention last couple of times or just weren't around for the debut of the VHS/Betamax/DVD/etc. If you were paying attention to the price of the debut DVD players you would think 1000 bucks was relatively inexpensive. But...within a month or two that price will be half...first to buy beware (early adopter pay for these things like mark-up on a diamond).
 
drpepper said:
Yes.
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No. You cannot just search for 1080p TV sets. You must ensure that they actually accept a 1080p signal. Last I looked--about a month or two ago--the HP 1080p set is one of the only ones that actually can accept a 1080p signal over its HDMI input.

The rest are capable of internally resolving 1080p and will upscale a 1080i or 720p signal to 1080p.

.Sis
 
Sis said:
So not only are the rumors true that MS will subsidize PC manufacturers for including HD-DVD drives, but now you have them subsidizing CE manufacturers? And this loss will be made up where exactly?

Maybe you were joking, but if not than this eye-rolly-thing is for you: :rolleyes:

.Sis
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Utilizing evil-empire/monopolistic business practices that limit fair competition. Hmmm smells like Microsoft. But I would agree...that subsidizing that much of the cost would just be ridiculous. It would help them less...and be more a corporate sabotage move against Sony- just for spite's sake.
 
Sis said:
So not only are the rumors true that MS will subsidize PC manufacturers for including HD-DVD drives, but now you have them subsidizing CE manufacturers? And this loss will be made up where exactly?

Maybe you were joking, but if not than this eye-rolly-thing is for you: :rolleyes:

.Sis
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I wasn’t joking with my assertion. It is extremely odd that there should be a ~ $500 difference between the two types of player given that the BOM are virtually the same.

Was the rumour about MS subsidising OEMs true? I don’t think it was it?

In any case in those discussions there were allegations that Microsoft would be happy to prolong the war – therefore any loss would not necessarily need to be made up anywhere.

I’m just speculating, going down this route would be far less risky for Microsoft, then again it maybe Toshiba just selling at a loss to gain market share (but that would seem suicidal).

At least there’s one good thing to come out of this, we’re gonna have a nice price war. That’s better for us but not necessarily for the industry.
 
Why do you assume the BOM's are virtually identical?

reading some threads at avsforums I was under the impression the BR players are much much more expensive to manufacture, i don't have time to go looking, but where exactly are you getting your #'s from?
 
It'll be interesting to see if manufacturers other than Toshiba offer their players at that (relatively) bargain-basement price. Have any other HD-DVD players been announced yet?
 
xbdestroya said:
C0_re, what the hell is going on with you? What I get from you is that you're willing to spend thousands of dollars on A/V gear, and justify those purchases to others by getting ultra-elitist about it. ;)

$2000 DVD player? Good god. Do you roll twin LCD screens in your Ferrari as well?

@ihamoitc: Ok dude, 3D video, we get it. :)
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Sorry i doni't mean to come off thay way at all and I am exagerating a little(2000$ was a few years ago) I just think it's foolish for anyone to think that a "game console" will be anywhere near the quality of a dedicated device for audio or video. Neither the PS3 or the 360 are magical end all box's that make things happen it just doesn't work like that and I know you know that, I just see alot of wishfull thinking going on around here, especially with the PS3. I'll tell you right now the 360 is a huge pile of junk for listening to music on(even WMA and MP3's) and terrible for watching DVD's.

And yes I hate Sony as a consumer electronics company minues the playstation, psp and some small ce devices IMO their stuff is either JUNK or WAY WAY overpriced or once in awile both.
 
c0_re said:
And yes I hate Sony as a consumer electronics company minues the playstation, psp and some small ce devices IMO their stuff is either JUNK or WAY WAY overpriced or once in awile both.
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LOL, ok yes I can tell you dislike Sony. :)

Anyway thanks for clarifying on the other stuff though. I agree that PS3 probably won't be to the level of some of the standalones, *but* good algorithms and Cell might make up a fair bit of the difference yet.
 
c0_re said:
And yes I hate Sony as a consumer electronics company minues the playstation, psp and some small ce devices IMO their stuff is either JUNK or WAY WAY overpriced or once in awile both.
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So why is it okay for you to like some Sony products, yet call all the other junk, overpriced, or both? Maybe other people like the other stuff from Sony that you don't like.
 
scooby_dooby said:
Why do you assume the BOM's are virtually identical?

reading some threads at avsforums I was under the impression the BR players are much much more expensive to manufacture, i don't have time to go looking, but where exactly are you getting your #'s from?
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Strange, because I’ve read it many a time in the same forums that both drives share ~ 90% identical components.

Maybe the launch (~2-3months) delay allowed them time to come down their LRAC? I mean if you look at it the Samsung $1,000 720p/1080i player it is virtually identical to the $799 Toshiba. You always get the greatest cost savings at the start of scaling economies.

Then again maybe the support of those Chinese manufacturers is paying dividends for Toshiba?
Maybe Blu-Ray players are just trying to leverage the content advantage as justification for higher cost?

I don’t think we can form any concrete opinions till we get pricing from all the major protagonists. Panasonic, Sony and Philips – I’m keen to see their pricing.
 
Ok more news from the TV front, this time Toshiba:

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Sounds like a good feature-set - including some PC file pulling - but not clear whether or not it includes Cell, which supposedly all 2006 Toshiba TVs include. Or not, pending further news on *this* set. ;)

Toshiba hit CES with a redesigned DLP projection TV lineup, to be available in both 50-inch and 56-inch models later this year. The new models, the 50HM66 and 56HM66, support 720p, use a 150-watt lamp, 14-bit video processing, and implement a new "scoop" curved design, which Toshiba says makes the 50-inch version smaller than many 50-inch flat panel displays. Both models also support home networking to access files stored on a PC, and include CableCARD slots and HDMI inputs.
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http://ces.engadget.com/2006/01/04/toshiba-shows-redesigned-dlp-sets/
 
mckmas8808 said:
So why is it okay for you to like some Sony products, yet call all the other junk, overpriced, or both? Maybe other people like the other stuff from Sony that you don't like.
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I wouldn't sweat it - everyone gets to have an opinion, and c0_re is obviously an audiophile, so it's understandable he abides by a different set of standards.
 
mckmas8808 said:
So why is it okay for you to like some Sony products, yet call all the other junk, overpriced, or both? Maybe other people like the other stuff from Sony that you don't like.
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it's not a matter of "Like" or "Dislike" it's a matter of company A makes device X with this amount of features for for X amount of dollars, then Sony makes the same basic device with less features(or less compatable or useable features) puts their Sony emblem on it and expects people to pay a significant higher $$$ amount.

I just call em how I see em based on my experience and research simple as that, to be honest I used to be a huge Sony fan back in the day when THEY were the ones inovating and making poeple like RCA an Zeinith look like a bunch of back country American idiots.
 
mckmas8808 said:
xbd what do you think they mean when they say "home networking to support PC files"?
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I think they mean it'll support the display of .jpgs and maybe some video streams/formats. I don't know, that's just a guess of mine. If they meant full MCE capability I think they would have said it, so it'll probably run in conjunction with some proprietary software that ships with the TV.
 
avaya said:
It is extremely odd that there should be a ~ $500 difference between the two types of player given that the BOM are virtually the same.
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It may have to do with market research. If Blu-ray drives are seen as being a better value to the consumer then the consumer may be willing to pay more to be an early adopter. Likewise, given HD-DVD's lack of studio backing, they may need to give financial incentive to lure in buyers.

Regardless, I doubt either HD-DVD or Blu-ray manufacturers are taking a loss.

.Sis
 
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