Business ramifications of piracy *spawn
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Silent_Buddha
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You would think. But there's still millions upon millions of Apple Users that refuse to believe their computers can become infected by Malware.
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How likely is it for a world-wide PS3 recall? Sony could issue the recall, return new un-fucked PS3s (properly cryptoed) to people and ban all old PS3s.
It would be super-expensive, though and it could break Sony. Maybe they'll just let it slide?
It would be super-expensive, though and it could break Sony. Maybe they'll just let it slide?
Sure, but is there any industry precedent? I know cars have been recalled, for example Lancia had to recall cars in the UK due to rust problems and that really broke Lancia's reputation in the UK, though Lancia isn't very interesting nowadays anyway.
I have no idea; haven't heard of such recall in the console space before. I suppose they could.
Personally, I'm more curious how far Sony can co-exist with homebrew, and what marketing and business solutions they can adopt to counter piracy. Pure technical means is the "proven" way, but not necessarily the only way.
Personally, I'm more curious how far Sony can co-exist with homebrew, and what marketing and business solutions they can adopt to counter piracy. Pure technical means is the "proven" way, but not necessarily the only way.
Sony isn't in a position right now to do that considering all the loses they had to suffer early on due to the PS3 and shareholders definitely wont allow this move and we are talking about 41 million consoles here.
It is such a difficult situation right now for Sony, but I don't understand how leaking such important keys is not a crime?
Yeah. I expect a hardware revision to the slim this year that changes the low-level crypto structure for the firmware and will not be compatible with update.pup files that work on the older hardware.
Given that they support USB installation of firmware updates, they'll have to make it obvious that the new hardware requires the new variant update.pup files, which suggests they'll have to make the new version stand out in some fashion so people will know which they have.. or else go to some kind of two-file standard for USB updates, and let the console pick which one to use.
If Sony does this and then requires new firmware (on whatever model) to verify and run newly released games, they will at least be able to limit the impact to.. the fifty million PS3s currently out there.
Ow.
A recall is quite impractical...at this point.
Digital Foundry on the case:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-security-in-tatters
Ow. Ow. Ow.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-security-in-tatters
Ow. Ow. Ow.
That's what I'm wondering about. Knowledgeable users who crack their console will be able to keep their hacked firmware always up to date, to defeat whatever Sony does, but those guys are essentially us, insignificant. Joe Schmoe who buys his console pre-modded may not be so capable; naturally, if pirates are ambitious (and suicidal) they could set up some sort of auto-update function, but for obvious reasons that'd be problematic.
Edit: on digitalfoundry's piece, it should be noted that the Wii can be softmodded, no modchips necessary. DF doesn't say that it can't, but there's an implication there.
Edit2: on 'the dreamcast situation', wasn't the situation that no one really bought the console in the first place? They didn't drop the price to $99 by 2000 (when I got mine) because they were selling gangbusters to pirates.
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Fortunately, Sony is preventing people from becoming knowledgeable users by deleting any comments to the PS Blog mentioning the hacks.
Even without linux, we'd still get the leaked dongle, we'd still get jailbroken PS3s running arbitrary code -- the vulnerability was there, it would've been found eventually.
I thought GeoHotz started hacking PS3 before OtherOS was removed (from Slim). He mentioned on his blog that some Brazilian dude got him a Fat PS3 to start, or did I remember it wrongly ?
Given the weak security behind PS3, once GeoHotz got in, it would have gone down earlier if Sony hadn't removed OtherOS.
The universal removal of OtherOS did consolidate the hacking effort though.
Fortunately, Sony is preventing people from becoming knowledgeable users by deleting any comments to the PS Blog mentioning the hacks.
What do you expect them to do? Sony hasn't pronounced itself at all on this, they're probably all scurrying on how to spin this to the press.
He closed his twitter account and blocked his blog, so it's hard to get a timeline.
In the end removing or keeping OtherOS might've been irrelevant, since the service-mode dongle showed up. People like to construct narratives around these events, though, and it sends a better message if they can say that Sony brought this upon themselves. (Well, they did by screwing up the crypto code, but I mean in terms of behavior regarding the PS3.)
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