BLU-RAY WIN!

[version]

sony and toshiba will share the royalties and have fun

 

[Legend]

Will this new unified platform still have the same space as BD (27single layer, 54dual layer)?

 

[wco81]

Will this new unified platform still have the same space as BD (27single layer, 54dual layer)?

That's the $64 question. Compromises sometimes could involve tech specs. I think for the DVD compromise, the capacity went down slightly.

BTW, the Blu-Ray ROM capacities were 25 GB per layer.

It was the BD-RE or rewritable media which had 27 GB per layer.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

Good news all-around it seems. BRD was clearly the better format, and the savings on the plants was so short-sighted as to be criminal. If you're gonna go with a new HD format, do it right. That means BRD. Conceding the software to Toshiba is a good compromise. Both parties should be happy with this, and now the consumer can start anticipating HD-DVD products for the coming year now. Oh, and it'll be in the PS3 now so whoopty-do. Hopefully Nintendo adopts this as well, or some proprietary format based on it. PEACE.

 

[wco81]

Read from another source that it would be Blu-Ray's physical format but HD-DVD's modulation technology for laying down the data. It sounds like the reverse of the DVD and MMCD compromise.

Toshiba had proposed the HD-DVD disc and the Blu-Ray multilayering technology. HD-DVD was going to have problems going beyond 2 layers while BR was planning for 4 and 8 layers down the line.

 

[PC-Engine]

The cost was also on hd-dvd side. The discs themselves would have been cheaper and would have only required a retooling of the current plants . Also the drives themselves may have been cheaper though not sure .

Anyway i would wait for an offical announcment or at least a link to where this got started before we jump for joy

It really doesn't make much of a difference software wise since a Blu Ray disc only costed 10% more than the DVDs we are currently using. The hardware for the drives are what really mattered most. I say bring it on.

thats discs alone , not counting the new plants or the cost to reonvate the old ones to produce these discs

Also ironically the software has a hardware cost to it too.

 

[Natoma]

Whatever next-gen DVD standard is adopted better have backward compatibility or it's going to be DOA.

Noth the "old" BDROM and HDDVD drives were going to be backwards compatible anyway, the new drives for the hybrid format won't be any difference.

Really? Everything I read said the Blu-ray format wasn't going to be backward compatible. Then again I haven't been following it too closely so I grant that there may have been changes since the last time I checked.

 

[PC-Engine]

london-boy:

Errr... no.

Sony did not want to work with the DVD forum for the next format, so they simply left without even trying to submit Blu-ray as a candidate for the specification. Now they're working together with the DVD group again out of admitted necessity. That's a concession on their end no matter how it's seen.

Agreed.

So are they going to call it Blu-Ray or something else?.

If they're to work with the DVD Forum then it's probably going to be called HD DVD.

Will this new unified platform still have the same space as BD (27single layer, 54dual layer)?

If they're going to be using HD DVDs PRML, then the capacity will go up to 32GB single layer 64GB dual layer.

 

[jvd]

calling it hd-dvd is the way to go .

People already know and love dvds . People are already getting spoon fed hd on tvs for the last what 7 years ? Good to keep people buying what they know instead of having to educate them on something new

 

[Legend]

Good to keep people buying what they know instead of having to educate them on something new

since this format will be the only choice, a ‘known’ name won’t matter that much.
I say BD sounds new and fresh. Saying HD-DVD sounds cheesy.

Of course there is a chance of either fusing the two names or going with something entirely different.

 

[PC-Engine]

IMO Blu-ray sounds cheasy. It's like calling standard DVDs Red-ray.

 

[Legend]

if they called it Red-ay then HD-DVD would be good, but they didn’t. the idea is having something new. Why not have a new name then? I don't care what they call it as long as it is something new.

“aahh..people know DVD and..umm..now they know…aah..HD. I have an idea! Lets put both! DVDHD…eerr…DHDVD…wait wait..HDDVD, yeah that’s it HDDVD. I’m so clever!â€￾

 

[London Geezer]

IMO Blu-ray sounds cheasy. It's like calling standard DVDs Red-ray.

Definately, the new format should be called HDDVD, just for the sake of constintency, with new HD TVs, the new format should be HD-something, and HDDVD is the best option. BlueRay doesn't correlate to anything in the minds of who don't know what it is, whereas when someone ignorant will see HDDVD, he will know that it's a... HD... DVD... Err...

 

[rabidrabbit]

There's a danger that people think HD-DVD means Humpty Dumpty DVD.

I personally like more the Blu-ray name, I propably miss the cheesines of it due to english not being my native language.
It just sounds more high tech and futuristic to me

But forr mass market adoption, I agree HDDVD is easier to sell.
Or maybe they just use the HDDVD as the main logo and Blu-ray as a smaller logo, like HDDVD (featuring) Blu-ray.

 

[London Geezer]

Or maybe they just use the HDDVD as the main logo and Blu-ray as a smaller logo, like HDDVD (featuring) Blu-ray.

Yeah i'm sure my mother will care about "HDDVD featuring BlueRay". It will be hard enough to explain what HDDVD is...

 

[rabidrabbit]

Or Harley-Davidson DVD
Hilda Doolitle DVD (Hilda's one of top results when you search HD on google :? )
hewlett-dackard DVD
Hard Donkeys DVD....

 

[-tkf-]

HD-DVDRAY

This standard is gonna be with us for the next 20+ years.

 

[hugo]

HD-DVD + Blue Ray Disc = HD-Disc or HD-VD
DVD - The physical structure of DVD is no more in use.
Blue ray - Isn't directly related except for the laser type which is being used.

HDD may sound more like hard disc drive to many but retaining the DVD doesn't sound like something new.

 

[PC-Engine]

if they called it Red-ay then HD-DVD would be good, but they didn’t. the idea is having something new. Why not have a new name then? I don't care what they call it as long as it is something new.

“aahh..people know DVD and..umm..now they know…aah..HD. I have an idea! Lets put both! DVDHD…eerr…DHDVD…wait wait..HDDVD, yeah that’s it HDDVD. I’m so clever!â€

It's called smart marketing aka smart business. It takes money to re-educate consumers. So what would you call a format using ultraviolet lasers? UV Ray? Think of all the people who would be scared to death that their movie player emits UV Rays!

HD-DVD + Blue Ray Disc = HD-Disc or HD-VD
DVD - The physical structure of DVD is no more in use.
Blue ray - Isn't directly related except for the laser type which is being used.

HDD may sound more like hard disc drive to many but retaining the DVD doesn't sound like something new.

If it's backwards compatible with DVD then it's logical to include DVD in the name.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

IGN says this is 'agreement' is bunk. Sony and Toshiba have denied any such agreement to the consolidated format...
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/611/611512p1.html

Sony and Toshiba have issued statements on today's Nihon Kiezai Shimbun report of a settlement in negotiations for a single high definition DVD standard. Both parties deny the report, which suggested that an agreement had been forged to adopt Sony's 0.1 millimeter Blu-ray disk technology and Toshiba's software technology for the new format.

Toshiba, a major backer of the HD-DVD next generation format, acknowledged that, under the belief that a single format would most benefit customers, negotiations are still under way with Matsushita and Sony, Blu-ray's primary backers, but denied that a settlement has been reached. In addition, the company revealed plans to show off the current HD-DVD format at the Media Tech Expo, set to kick off in Las Vegas on 5/11.
Sony offered a similar denial, stating that while a single format is ideal, there have been no major advancements since negotiations were first announced on April 21. "The only true aspect of this report is that Sony, Matsushita and Toshiba are currently engaged in negotiations," a Sony representative stated.

The Nihon Keizai Shimbun has had breaking news stories denied and then proven correct many times before. Is this a case of Toshiba and Sony trying to take control of a bit of hot information that leaked out ahead of schedule, or have there truly been no advancements in negotiations for a single format next generation DVD? We expect more details to surface shortly (and be subsequently denied).