I never KOTOR or JE much thought, but if the rumors were to be true, then I think it says something about where the next gen is headed when devs traditionally associated with other consoles are moving onto the PS3 platform all on their own (assuming they were not enticed by a wad of cash).
BioWare coming to PS3!!
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Mordecaii said:
Do a post history. Actually, I find it useful if you do a post history in many people. I have no problem with people liking a company, or even preferring their product. It is the approach taken.
The problem in general with console forums is this:
Person #1: Always praises system 'A' and only posts negatives about system 'B'
Person #2: Always praises system 'B' and only posts negatives about system 'A'
Now Person #1 and Person #2 may think the other system have merits, but if their posts are relegated to almost EXCLUSIVELY to praising their favorite system and they only both to post about the other system when there is something negative to say, that is biased, or at least presenting a facade of biasesness.
Rarely will you see certain posters post in a thread where their favorite console maker has done something wrong. Even if you think they are wrong, if you only reserve praise for them in your posts and only reserve contempt for the competition, that is bias.
That is why my former sig read:
Enjoying a product does not require hating said product's competition.
Oh, I do completely agree with you Acert, just saying that mckmas's particular comment in that post was farther than a lot of people will go. I've already figured out a lot about quite a few people in this forum, and trust me I take into account their previous posts when it comes to their current posts. 
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Mordecaii said:
Agreed somewhat. There is diffenrent kinds of bias, I think the one mckmas8808 portrays is quite innocent, he just get's very excited about Sony, considering that a new model is coming out, that is somewhat understandable, sometimes it annoys me, but maybe it's not that bad, and maybe I shouldn't get annoyed by it, I think overall he seems to be quite nice person, just get's excited little too easy
. I think I might have been little too hard on him... .mckmas8808
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Nope its ok Dr. I understand. We're all men here (well maybe some women) I can that it. Its just sometime people post certain things that make absoulety no sense. Saying if something is pre-rendered or not is one thing, but straight bashing is another. I didn't agree with Laa-Yosh on about 4 out of 5 post, but at the same time I totally respected what he had to say. I understand that he had knowledge so I told myself to just wait to see the product. Some guys can't find themselves to do that.
On topic: I would love to see Jade Empire 2 on the PS3 also. I liked the way the game looks on the Xbox, but I heard it has alot of reading in it. That sounds like it slows the game down and I'm typically a fast paced gamer so I really don't know. :?
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Acert93 said:
There are other kinds of bias that aren't as easily recognized by your approach though. One is bias toward the middle. Many jounalists (especially here in the US) are guilty of this. They feel it is always necessary that neither side of an argument be precieved as too strong or weak. They will downplay the merits of the winning side and the faults of the losing side to appear moderate.
Another common type of bias is toward the underdog. People will forgive a company it's faults until it has become the leader, and then turn on them and rally around a new rebel company.
I think it is more important to examine whether or not a person makes a strong case for the position they take rather than the history of the positions they have taken in the past. Otherwise it is easy to simply dismiss someone as being "biased" without actually listening to what they are saying, as you've already judged them based on your preconcieved notion of what their position is.
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Ok...has Bioware recently doubled its staff or something?
From what their past tells, they dont work in lots of projects at the sametime....everytime i look into it they work in like 2 projects at the sametime, maybe 3.
Now, they have an exclusivity deal with MS for 2 games (one of them is Jade EMpire 2, i dont know how some of you talk about the possibility of jade Empire going to the Ps3....its an Xbox 360 exclusive ), and they are currently making Dragon Age for The PC.
That doesnt leave alotta room for much more.....and couldnt it be that Bioware Staff members were at the Sony PC simply because they wanted to see it? Or is there allways business beyound this things?
From what their past tells, they dont work in lots of projects at the sametime....everytime i look into it they work in like 2 projects at the sametime, maybe 3.
Now, they have an exclusivity deal with MS for 2 games (one of them is Jade EMpire 2, i dont know how some of you talk about the possibility of jade Empire going to the Ps3....its an Xbox 360 exclusive
), and they are currently making Dragon Age for The PC.That doesnt leave alotta room for much more.....and couldnt it be that Bioware Staff members were at the Sony PC simply because they wanted to see it? Or is there allways business beyound this things?
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I'm sorry but when I read those sentences to me it says that Bioware is creating something for the PS3. I'm not trying to make something out of nothing thats what it says.
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Nite_Hawk said:
Depends how you deem "many". I would definately not say most as I do not tend to find that to be true of the magazines I read online or paperback. Actually the game magazines are often fodder for PR and act like complete tools.
That fits well within what I was saying.
I said nothing at all about judging the merits of their position on their bias.
What I am saying is that there are posters who stick to a pretty predictable path. e.g. Poster #1 will only posts positives about MS and only negatives about Sony. Poster #2 will only post positives about Sony and only negatives about MS.
It is not an issue of whether their arguement is valid (that is always weighed on an individual basis), but is instructive of their bias. They are defensive of their own system preference... and yes, at times that means they are willing to give said company benefit of the doubt they DONT give the other company.
Anyhow, no one ever said identifying someone's bias does not mean their point is invalid. Only if you believe in general that bias negates an opinion's validity does it do such. e.g. Teasy (a fairly open minded person) is a Nintendo fan, yet that bias does not negate Teasy's points.
Unfortunately some posters, because of their bias, will defend their company of choice no matter what and bash the competition no matter what. Regardless if they may mentally believe the other side has merits, they do not take the time to post such
What exactly is the point of going through and reading through the history of an individual's posts to determine their bias if you are not factoring it into your judgement of their position?
Once you have decided a person is biased it's terribly easy to make accusations like "you only think that way because you are biased" without actually replying to what the person is saying. If you are truly basing your judgement of an argument on it's content, then you don't need to know what biases that person has. If what they have posted is invalid or illogical, it will be evident without knowing the history of their previous posts.
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And it wouldn't look amazing on Xbox 360 tech?GwymWeepa said:
Master of the obvious. What a goofy comment of yours
Shifty Geezer said:
Indeed not. However this particular conference was an invite-only event which was very hard to get into, even for some senior people at Sony related companies or media. I spoke to a few people during E3 who had wanted to go and couldn't get in, even though they might be considered "important" in some way.
Now I dare say a few developers might have gotten on to the list who Sony simply *want* as developers rather than already *have* - but anyone there is likely to be potentially valuable to Sony in some way.
On the other hand some people who have absolutely no intention of developing on X360 managed to sneak into that press conference and came away with the freebie faceplate giveaway which I was shown by at least one person the next day.
So this topic is probably a little premature at best and sensationalist at worst, but it's interesting to me to know who got to go to Sony's private event. I've seen plenty of pictures of the actual presentation so far, but none from behind the scenes to show who was there - surprised the media didn't think to cover that, really (maybe they were told not to?)
I try to be unbiased but do have prefrences. But its hard to be biased when I own all 3 systems and enjoy PC gaming as well In most cases I try to look at it from a game standpoint whether its Xbox, PS2, GC, or PC. (and how they look and play on each system if cross platform) I own each console more for their specific games of interest then the company themselves. Its all about the games
Each company has strengths for perspective first party games but now with next gen the cross platform is becoming more of the norm. But as long as each company has strong first party games I will probably be owning each of the systems. Right now it doesnt bother me too much but if game costs start creeping up as they seem to be (speculation of games ranging from $60-80) then tougher choice may have to be made.
Bah nevermind, I didnt need that transplant anyway. I'll end up getting all the next gen consoles anyway
In most cases I try to look at it from a game standpoint whether its Xbox, PS2, GC, or PC. (and how they look and play on each system if cross platform) I own each console more for their specific games of interest then the company themselves. Its all about the games Each company has strengths for perspective first party games but now with next gen the cross platform is becoming more of the norm. But as long as each company has strong first party games I will probably be owning each of the systems. Right now it doesnt bother me too much but if game costs start creeping up as they seem to be (speculation of games ranging from $60-80)
then tougher choice may have to be made. Bah nevermind, I didnt need that transplant anyway. I'll end up getting all the next gen consoles anyway
How big is Bioware?They seem to be releasing one title per 2 years at the most.They already have signed with MS to develop 2 (MGS-published) games and they also have a pc game coming.That means that their hands are full for a long time.
I guess that after finishing all the games they have in the pipeline ,they could work on a ps3 project(which as even this rumor states,they haven't started yet) which would probably be released(if it gets off the ground) around 2008-2009.
Oh and i wouldn't hold my breath for a bioware-developed KOTOR3 for any console.
I guess that after finishing all the games they have in the pipeline ,they could work on a ps3 project(which as even this rumor states,they haven't started yet) which would probably be released(if it gets off the ground) around 2008-2009.
Oh and i wouldn't hold my breath for a bioware-developed KOTOR3 for any console.
i'm of the opinion that if Bioware makes the jump, it won't be an exclusive developer for PS3, and the game(s) won't be KOTOR and/or JE, but a new franchise
come Sony, give Bioware a chance to make a new franchise instead of stealing another camp (newly established) franchise!
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come Sony, give Bioware a chance to make a new franchise instead of stealing another camp (newly established) franchise!
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