ManuVlad3.0
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london-boy said:PC-Engine said:
Like Sega did?j/k
[Rumour] PS3 games..Sony doing a little shopping?
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rusty said:Nirey said:Go **** your self, and hope to god that your country doesn't get a *11 from OSMA.
wow, i'm not even from the US and yet i consider that completely inappropriate....
you just confirmed yourself as being an idiot.
you and any other person in this forum can join him if you want, if you and any other person in this forum are going to single me out of this whole forum and keep attacking me, my creditability, and my posts.
JKNattacking your credibility? you post from a road runner account in va and from the university of michigan.... you attack your own credibility enough by yourself.
besides what i posted had nothing to do with your credibility - it was to do with your inappropriate "joke". completely poor taste...
besides what i posted had nothing to do with your credibility - it was to do with your inappropriate "joke". completely poor taste...
Nirey is digging himself lower and lower, don't think we should respond to him at all.
MechanizedDeath
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GAF is an old forum from the early 32bit days. There are a lot of insiders that post there, but most of the stuff stays on the hush anyway. There have been lots of leaks, but lots of lies too. Grain of salt goes without saying.
That said, when you get multiple people being explicit (like KOTOR), I don't know what there is to doubt. And there are insiders for all the systems there. Most of the stuff is discussed on IRC or IM. I mean, the forum is technically linked to the gaming website (yes, there's still a front page AFAIK), so it goes without saying that you're gonna get info leaked on there. I'm not gonna vouch for anyone personally, since I've been totally out of the rumor loop this gen, but this close to E3, I expect a lot of what leaks to actually be true.
By the same token, a lot of other fanboys would like to believe that Sony's overwhelming advantage this gen means nothing. This was the same argument from last gen. The belief being that Sony merely capitalized on mistakes as opposed to earning their fair share. Well, the fact of the matter is that Sony showed that the market leader can in fact leverage market- and mindshare to transition between gens. It's about riding the wave of "momentum" properly. Something Nintendo never did.
By the time the PS3 releases, Sony will have more than twice the number of systems sold as the competition combined. Spin it anyway you want, that is a massive advantage. Broken down on a per-system basis, Sony will have 4-5 times the userbase of MS or Nintendo. MS and Nintendo are small fries in this game at the moment. Will the automatically be next gen? No. But if Sony once again leverages their userbase properly, there's really nothing either of them can do.
Now, like last gen, devs see this and know this. Sony is market leader and will be considered the safe bet to start the gen. It's not suprising that with increased development costs that some devs would move properties exclusively to that system. If there's a hw advantage, it might make it an even more obvious choice. And where the devs go, the gamers inevitably go, and the cycle kinda feeds itself.
I'm not gonna pretend, I think Sony's gonna dominate again. I see no reason to think otherwise. MS's money and clout have no sway in this market. They may have done ok in the US (again, Sony has outsold them more than 3:1 here), but they've still got a lot of ground to make up in other territories. Until they nail down Japan and/or Europe, there'll always be problems securing marquee exclusives. The safe money is with Sony for now. PEACE.
That said, when you get multiple people being explicit (like KOTOR), I don't know what there is to doubt. And there are insiders for all the systems there. Most of the stuff is discussed on IRC or IM. I mean, the forum is technically linked to the gaming website (yes, there's still a front page AFAIK), so it goes without saying that you're gonna get info leaked on there. I'm not gonna vouch for anyone personally, since I've been totally out of the rumor loop this gen, but this close to E3, I expect a lot of what leaks to actually be true.
PC-E said:
By the same token, a lot of other fanboys would like to believe that Sony's overwhelming advantage this gen means nothing. This was the same argument from last gen. The belief being that Sony merely capitalized on mistakes as opposed to earning their fair share. Well, the fact of the matter is that Sony showed that the market leader can in fact leverage market- and mindshare to transition between gens. It's about riding the wave of "momentum" properly. Something Nintendo never did.
By the time the PS3 releases, Sony will have more than twice the number of systems sold as the competition combined. Spin it anyway you want, that is a massive advantage. Broken down on a per-system basis, Sony will have 4-5 times the userbase of MS or Nintendo. MS and Nintendo are small fries in this game at the moment. Will the automatically be next gen? No. But if Sony once again leverages their userbase properly, there's really nothing either of them can do.
Now, like last gen, devs see this and know this. Sony is market leader and will be considered the safe bet to start the gen. It's not suprising that with increased development costs that some devs would move properties exclusively to that system. If there's a hw advantage, it might make it an even more obvious choice. And where the devs go, the gamers inevitably go, and the cycle kinda feeds itself.
I'm not gonna pretend, I think Sony's gonna dominate again. I see no reason to think otherwise. MS's money and clout have no sway in this market. They may have done ok in the US (again, Sony has outsold them more than 3:1 here), but they've still got a lot of ground to make up in other territories. Until they nail down Japan and/or Europe, there'll always be problems securing marquee exclusives. The safe money is with Sony for now. PEACE.
I think some people here are under the impression that those ~90 million PS2 owners (probably around a 100 million once the first next gen console ships) will *magically* forget that Sony's PS2 was their choice of console and go out and buy the first next best thing.
Well, once you factor in that probably a great deal of those 90-100 million will have bought more than just a PS2 - it still leaves 40-50+ million that are PS2-only users - and I'd be not surprised if a large part of those 40-50+ in turn owned a PSone as well.
EDIT: MechanizedDeath: brilliant post. I totally agree.
Well, once you factor in that probably a great deal of those 90-100 million will have bought more than just a PS2 - it still leaves 40-50+ million that are PS2-only users - and I'd be not surprised if a large part of those 40-50+ in turn owned a PSone as well.
EDIT: MechanizedDeath: brilliant post. I totally agree.
I think we should play the "how many posts will Nirey last" game. The closer you get the more points you get. I'm guessing 40.
To stay on topic, it's almost obvious that Sony will be in a very strong position, merely because of how strong they've faired in the last 2 generations. They'll have to put in the good work too though or things will get stagnant very quick and consumers are quick to change their minds if companies do things wrong.
To stay on topic, it's almost obvious that Sony will be in a very strong position, merely because of how strong they've faired in the last 2 generations. They'll have to put in the good work too though or things will get stagnant very quick and consumers are quick to change their minds if companies do things wrong.
Buying KOTOR? That doesn't seem too bright to me. KOTOR is great, IMO, and it sold fairly well. But buying its exclusivity is more PR than business (like MS purchasing Rare, so far). The PS3 will already have enough momentum; it won't need to undercut competitors.
Relax buddy, nobody said MS is gonna dominate next gen. I was just pointing out that fanbois wishing Xbox360 will turn out like DC to be moronic that's all. Regardless the existing PS2 userbase is gonna have very little effect. MS will gain even more marketshare next gen you just wait and see.
MechanizedDeath
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PC-Engine said:
I'm plenty relaxed. Considering the "successful" Xbox will only end up selling a bit more than twice what the DC did, and the PS2 will sell 10-12 times that much...well.... When you put it in perspective, Sony's whoopin that a-- handily. MS wasn't far off the DC. Neither was Nintendo. Both sold less than the N64, and that got clobbered by the PS1. Maybe MS will gain marketshare, or maybe they'll lose even more. As down as I may be on them, there's nothing to say Nintendo couldn't finally get their stuff together and relegate MS to a distant 3rd. Afterall, MS won't have any hw advantage anymore, and Nintendo still has bigger IPs than MS. I'm just sayin...that's all.
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JackFrost = Andrew Vestal
supposedly pretty well connected in the land of the rising sun. U can google him up pretty easily. Writes and has written for various gaming sites/mags
PC-Engine said:Next gen MS will have their console out first while Nintendo will have theirs out last. Do the math. PS3 will be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
PS3 stuck between a rock and a hard place? If so, Microsoft and Nintendo would kill to be in such a desperate position.
As market leaders, it is Sony who really dictates the pace here. It's their game to lose, and unless Microsoft pulls off some unbelievable defections, next gen's got Sony written all over it again.
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MechanizedDeath - yep, great posts.
PCEngine - I think one was saying that Nintendo kicked DS out the door quickly - very fast hardware launch.