Launching on time u mean!
Yeah, the 360 launch wasn't early, Sony was just to busy stroking it's own d.....ego to realize MS was ready to roll out. They had to play catch up.
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Yeah, the 360 launch wasn't early, Sony was just to busy stroking it's own d.....ego to realize MS was ready to roll out. They had to play catch up.
Looks like Sony shipped 125-175k units at launch according to this link:
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14540
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14540
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Looks like Sony shipped 125-175k units at launch according to this link:
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14540
Ouch, that is extremely low. The idea of them doing a simultaneous europe launch seems pretty humorous now looking back.
Brilliant move by MS launching early, as I'm sure everyone can admit at this point.
Depends how you measure it.
If they win the market share war by 2010, then yes, it worked in their favor.
But if they get a lead that they can't hold, it really didn't do anything for them.
Other things to look for. If they belatedly add HDMI or HD-DVD drive in an effort to reach feature parity, that would be a tacit admission that they launched too early for features which the market eventually deemed necessary.
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Depends how you measure it.
Not really, I think it's a matter of whether you've moved on from a state of denial, to a state of acceptance.
By any measure MS is in a much stronger position than they were last gen,(that's an understatement) and regardless of whether they do get passed, the early launch was a huge success.
Other things to look for. If they belatedly add HDMI or HD-DVD drive in an effort to reach feature parity, that would be a tacit admission that they launched too early for features which the market eventually deemed necessary.
Similar to the tacit admission from Sony that they launched the PS2 too early with their release of Network Adaptor and attachable HDD?
Not really, I think it's a matter of whether you've moved on from a state of denial, to a state of acceptance.
By any measure MS is in a much stronger position than they were last gen,(that's an understatement) and regardless of whether they do get passed, the early launch was a huge success.
The questions wasn't if launching early was a success. It's if it was a "brillant move". If they end up the same as the Xbox 1 (which will not happen IMO ) I don't think that move would be considered "brilliant" unless you had short term goals in mind.
It seems MS is not outright lowering the price of the 360 but must be offering some dealer incentives which allow them to create these value-added bundles.
Pretty smart way to go about it imo because they dont get the perception that "cheaper=worse technology" or "price drop=desperate", yet they still compound their cost/pricing advantage against the PS3. I've felt that MS should lower their price this holiday to capitalize on the other shortages but this may be the more prudent strategy overall.
I dont know that i would say brilliant at this point but i think that based on the projected installed bases through Q2-Q3 of 2007, they are going to get a bit of traction with the next development cycle. I think there will certainly be games that would have otherwise been exclusives for PS3 that may make it on 360 now, with few or none going the other way.
Pretty smart way to go about it imo because they dont get the perception that "cheaper=worse technology" or "price drop=desperate", yet they still compound their cost/pricing advantage against the PS3. I've felt that MS should lower their price this holiday to capitalize on the other shortages but this may be the more prudent strategy overall.
The questions wasn't if launching early was a success. It's if it was a "brillant move". If they end up the same as the Xbox 1 (which will not happen IMO ) I don't think that move would be considered "brilliant" unless you had short term goals in mind.
I dont know that i would say brilliant at this point but i think that based on the projected installed bases through Q2-Q3 of 2007, they are going to get a bit of traction with the next development cycle. I think there will certainly be games that would have otherwise been exclusives for PS3 that may make it on 360 now, with few or none going the other way.
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The questions wasn't if launching early was a success. It's if it was a "brillant move". If they end up the same as the Xbox 1 (which will not happen IMO ) I don't think that move would be considered "brilliant" unless you had short term goals in mind.
The outcome of the Xbox 360 can't diminish the "brillance" of the early launch unless one could show that the early launch somehow contributed to the lack luster sales of the 360.
MS has tried to address any negative attributes of an early launch with the HDDVD addon, 1080p update and assurances from movie studios that they won't implement the ICT tag until after 2010 (?).
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If they end up the same as the Xbox 1 (which will not happen IMO ) I don't think that move would be considered "brilliant" unless you had short term goals in mind.
Thing is, at this point it looks pretty much impossible for them to end up the same as XBOX1, the 3rd party support is far too strong. Much of that support is a direct result of the early launch.
The early launch was almost a necessity.
They were dying with the Xbox, bleeding money with no prospect for cost reduction.
At least if they go with a new system, even if they're bleeding money, there is the chance to get a head start and go on the cost-reduction path.
It wasn't as if they really had a choice to wait to launch at the same time as the Wii and PS3.
They were dying with the Xbox, bleeding money with no prospect for cost reduction.
At least if they go with a new system, even if they're bleeding money, there is the chance to get a head start and go on the cost-reduction path.
It wasn't as if they really had a choice to wait to launch at the same time as the Wii and PS3.
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It wasn't as if they really had a choice to wait to launch at the same time as the Wii and PS3.
Sure they did, but they made the decision in 2003 that they would target Holiday 2005 as their release date and it turned out to be a masterstroke. At that point there was absolutely no way of knowing when the PS3 would launch.
It wasn't a necessity, it was simply a plan, that worked. Suck it up.
I think it pretty obivious that the 360 will out sell the Wii and PS3 this holiday season in the US. Total console sales reach anywhere from 4 to 7 million during Nov/Dec in the US. 360 is the only console of the three that will be available for the whole two months with ample supply.
However, Wii might have the edge in worldwide sales with japan being a no contest and Europe unknown.
However, Wii might have the edge in worldwide sales with japan being a no contest and Europe unknown.
No you're making a virtue out of a necessity. Xbox was dead to them and they couldn't compete on an equal footing so they had to shoot for a head start.
Just like people saying the add-on dongle is giving people a choice.
A choice for what, to have an ugly chain of dongles? (When the X360 was introduced, they had a video about how proud they were of their design efforts, how they were trying to match the elegance of Apple. Then they come up with the dongles).
Just like people saying the add-on dongle is giving people a choice.
A choice for what, to have an ugly chain of dongles? (When the X360 was introduced, they had a video about how proud they were of their design efforts, how they were trying to match the elegance of Apple. Then they come up with the dongles).
The early launch was almost a necessity.
Necessity? We're talking about corporations who are in the business of profit generation. Anything that improves profits is necessary. The only thing unnecessary is profit loss.
Just because something is obvious, such as an early launch, doesn't mean it is easy. Execution is the key.
Just ask Sony.
It is my opinion that if the 360 or Wii takes the lead this generation, then this will more of a result of Sony's lack of execution vs. MS or Nintendo's execution.
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No you're making a virtue out of a necessity. Xbox was dead to them and they couldn't compete on an equal footing so they had to shoot for a head start.
For all they knew at the time the PS3 was also set to launch in 2005. Maybe they hoped they'd get a headstart, but by no means could they count on it. The main thing they wanted to avoid was starting in a hole like XBOX1 did.
Nonetheless, the early launch was a great success, and Sony's farce of a launch only compounded it further. Now going forward, MS is close to equal terms with Sony, a far cry from where they were sitting just 1 year ago.
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Just like people saying the add-on dongle is giving people a choice.
If you're referring to the HD-DVD drive, the choice is obvious:
A) Save $200
B) Get your console one year earlier if you want
No you're making a virtue out of a necessity. Xbox was dead to them and they couldn't compete on an equal footing so they had to shoot for a head start.
Just like people saying the add-on dongle is giving people a choice.
A choice for what, to have an ugly chain of dongles? (When the X360 was introduced, they had a video about how proud they were of their design efforts, how they were trying to match the elegance of Apple. Then they come up with the dongles).
So, the xbox and ps2 were launched at the same time?
if you consider the xbox vs. ps2, equal footing then the 360 vs. ps3 should be considered equal footing too.
Choice vs. aesthetics?
Most every gamer I know that bought a console this month bought a 360. Only one guy bought a Wii, but he bought a 360 a week earlier.
Remember also the Blue Dragon launch for Japan in coming in a few days.. another sales surge + Christmas is going to leap 360 sales figures just under the 10 million mark me thinks.
Remember also the Blue Dragon launch for Japan in coming in a few days.. another sales surge + Christmas is going to leap 360 sales figures just under the 10 million mark me thinks.
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