ATI cheating on anisotropic filtering performance

[Ylandro]

Didn't notice the sig of Martrox, did you?

 

[Tim]

bottom line is this:
Note that in ATI have repeatedly stated that the correct way to enable anisotropic filtering is always using the application's own settings, where provided, and that the control panel should only ever be used for legacy applications where no such options are provided.

ah ok i see. Then i will repeatedly state that as long as an application does not request 4x 6x 8x AA or higher ... hm... 2x or no aa is enough right?
Your words.

If you select 6xAA in CP you should get 6xAA, just like when you request 16AF you get 16AF. If you ask for 16AF in the Ati control panel you get 16AF on all stages, you just don't get trillinear filtering on all stages but Ati does promise you trilenear all stages.

Bottom line remains. They are cheating and nothing else.

Ati does exactly what is requested: 16AF.

Glad that at least one website turned their optimization crap off and benchmarked with fair and comparable settings.

nVidia does not do trilinear filtering on any stage with the standard settings, that is one less than Ati.

Did not read the beyond3d review that's why i can't say how it was done here but the rest simply benchmarked not under the same conditions.

As long as you do what is requested you don't cheat nomatter what anybody else does.

 

[Bjorn]

Ati does exactly what is requested: 16AF.

Not really imo. But neither does Nvidia with the NV4X,NV3X. Although i guess it remains to be seen if you can turn off the angle dependancy on the NV4X.

 

[Althornin]

ah ok i see. Then i will repeatedly state that as long as an application does not request 4x 6x 8x AA or higher ... hm... 2x or no aa is enough right?
Your words.

that's NOT what he said...
Learn to read.

 

[Bjorn]

nVidia does not do trilinear filtering on any stage with the standard settings, that is one less than Ati.

You can get it to do trilinear on all stages though, and through the CP if i'm not mistaken.

 

[Tim]

nVidia does not do trilinear filtering on any stage with the standard settings, that is one less than Ati.

You can get it to do trilinear on all stages though, and through the CP if i'm not mistaken.

I don't think you can on the NV3Xs (correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure that it is not possible on any of the official drivers) and you can't buy a NV40 yet.

 

[Bjorn]

I don't think you can on the NV3Xs (correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure that it is not possible on any of the official drivers) and you can't buy a NV40 yet.

Nope, not on the NV3X afaik. And yes, you can't buy the NV40 yet but it still exists doesn't it ?

 

[Sxotty]

I don't think you can on the NV3Xs (correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure that it is not possible on any of the official drivers) and you can't buy a NV40 yet.

Nope, not on the NV3X afaik. And yes, you can't buy the NV40 yet but it still exists doesn't it ?

No it doesn't it is just a conspiracy....

 

[Bambers]

Nope, not on the NV3X afaik. And yes, you can't buy the NV40 yet but it still exists doesn't it ?

on the 60.72s yes.

If techreports review is anything to go on though in SS:SE at least you get brilinear even when the optimisations are set off on the newer drivers, 61.11? 62.11? something like that anyway.

 

[Stryyder]

Yup your right thats what happens in the 61.11's i.e. FartCry drivers.

 

[Bjorn]

on the 60.72s yes.

If techreports review is anything to go on though in SS:SE at least you get brilinear even when the optimisations are set off on the newer drivers, 61.11? 62.11? something like that anyway.

We don't know if they'll keep that option of course. Let's wait and see.

Though i'll be dissapointed if they don't keep it and also don't add an option for "non angle dependancy" AF. It's rather crappy of both new "next gen" cards to not offer a full quality AF option.

 

[andypski]

ah ok i see. Then i will repeatedly state that as long as an application does not request 4x 6x 8x AA or higher ... hm... 2x or no aa is enough right?
Your words.

Well as people who know me will attest it's not often that I'm rendered speechless, but that post just did it.

Actually I think there's rather a lot I could say in response but not much of it is appropriate for a forum such as this.

 

[Evildeus]

Didn't notice the sig of Martrox, did you?

Yes, but well, he shouldn't post

 

[Stryyder]

ah ok i see. Then i will repeatedly state that as long as an application does not request 4x 6x 8x AA or higher ... hm... 2x or no aa is enough right?
Your words.

Well as people who know me will attest it's not often that I'm rendered speechless, but that post just did it.

Actually I think there's rather a lot I could say in response but not much of it is appropriate for a forum such as this.

I am glad you decided to refrain from calling him a bullheaded NVIDIOT with limited cognitive abilities full of both bias and manure. That kind of comment really isn't appropiate regardless of how accurate it is.

 

[Randell]

ah ok i see. Then i will repeatedly state that as long as an application does not request 4x 6x 8x AA or higher ... hm... 2x or no aa is enough right?
Your words.

Well as people who know me will attest it's not often that I'm rendered speechless, but that post just did it.

Actually I think there's rather a lot I could say in response but not much of it is appropriate for a forum such as this.

don't worry about it. Richtofen has always been an nVidiot fan-boy who will not see what he's been told.

 

[Heathen]

I am glad you decided to refrain from calling him a bullheaded NVIDIOT with limited cognitive abilities full of both bias and manure.

I would have been significantly less subtle, but that'll do for now.

 

[Big Bertha EA]

ah ok i see. Then i will repeatedly state that as long as an application does not request 4x 6x 8x AA or higher ... hm... 2x or no aa is enough right?
Your words.

Well as people who know me will attest it's not often that I'm rendered speechless, but that post just did it.

Actually I think there's rather a lot I could say in response but not much of it is appropriate for a forum such as this.

Oh how I can relate! How many holes have you bitten in your tongue?

I think half of mine has disappeared because of the nonsensical ravings of lunatic minds in the 3D graphics and PC Golf forums that I frequent....

 

[Scarlet]

And yes, you can't buy the NV40 yet but it still exists doesn't it ?

Yeah. Right. Something I can't buy "exists".


Jeebus this thread is really in the toilet. Why isn't it locked?

 

[anaqer]

Jeebus this thread is really in the toilet. Why isn't it locked?

It's been there to begin with.
As for locking... I guess people are just waiting for Chalnoth to try and explain himself a bit.
I certainly do.

 

[trinibwoy]

And yes, you can't buy the NV40 yet but it still exists doesn't it ?

Yeah. Right. Something I can't buy "exists".

/me looks in wallet...... most of the world goes *poof!*